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spammusubi
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How do different ferrules affect the "hit"? And by "hit" are they stricly talking about the feel? thanks in advance!
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Hogman
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Not by much, at least not directly.
The purpose of the ferrule is to glue the tip to the shaft, allowing a better bond to the shaft, and allowing the tip to be attached without damaging the shaft. The materials used in all good ferrules are of sufficient density that if they are installed properly they should not differ in hit.
What will cause a difference in hit is installation. Ivory ferrules are generally more brittle then composite ferrules, so if a tip is installed and there are shards between the tip and the ferrule or small cracks or inconsistencies it could affect the hit. Also if there are excess gaps or debris between the ferrule and the shaft, it could cause a "hollow" feeling hit, like you are not making good contact with the cueball.
The only ferrules I can think of that would affect hit are the verry cheap ones, like wal-mart cues, because they have low density. Other then that, any decent ferrule material should have almost the same hit given that they are installed the same on the shaft and the tip is installed the same. Ivory ferrules are mainly a matter of look and prestige, not hit; in fact, many cuemakers and players prefer composite ferrules since there is less chance of them cracking since they are not as brittle, and ivory ferrules may have small internal aberrations that may cause a crack if humidity changes rapidly.
The purpose of the ferrule is to glue the tip to the shaft, allowing a better bond to the shaft, and allowing the tip to be attached without damaging the shaft. The materials used in all good ferrules are of sufficient density that if they are installed properly they should not differ in hit.
What will cause a difference in hit is installation. Ivory ferrules are generally more brittle then composite ferrules, so if a tip is installed and there are shards between the tip and the ferrule or small cracks or inconsistencies it could affect the hit. Also if there are excess gaps or debris between the ferrule and the shaft, it could cause a "hollow" feeling hit, like you are not making good contact with the cueball.
The only ferrules I can think of that would affect hit are the verry cheap ones, like wal-mart cues, because they have low density. Other then that, any decent ferrule material should have almost the same hit given that they are installed the same on the shaft and the tip is installed the same. Ivory ferrules are mainly a matter of look and prestige, not hit; in fact, many cuemakers and players prefer composite ferrules since there is less chance of them cracking since they are not as brittle, and ivory ferrules may have small internal aberrations that may cause a crack if humidity changes rapidly.
Hogman said:
i believe, originally, that ferrules were used to prevent the shaft from mushrooming and fraying at the ends.
in terms of feel, i think there is a wide variance of feel between say, aegis, old micarta, ivory, cerrosite(soft), and fiber ferrules.
I just ordered a Jacoby custom cue. I requested they put short ferrules on both shafts. Quite a few years ago I was listening to a cue-maker here in California, Bert Shrager, talk about the pros and cons of short ferrrules verses long ferrules. He said the only reason people preferred long ferrules is for the aesthetics, or the look of them. It was his opinion that you would get a much better hit with the shorter ferrule. I should be getting this cue any day now. After I've played with it for a while, I'll post a thread and let everyone know what I think. I'm betting the cost of having these ferrules put on that Bert was right. After all, he's not just a cue maker, he's also a pretty darn good player, or at least he was back in the mid '80s.
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b-jammin
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Hogman,
I disagree, the different materials do offer dirrerent hits. Also the same materials with one ferrule being cored and the other being capped will offer a diffenent hit much like putting a tip with or without a fiber pad is different. B
I disagree, the different materials do offer dirrerent hits. Also the same materials with one ferrule being cored and the other being capped will offer a diffenent hit much like putting a tip with or without a fiber pad is different. B
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Midnight Rain
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hrmmmm let me see here Hogman you're wrong. That's the only way to put it. The ferrule is the second most important thing on a cue that will affect the hit. The tip being the first. Longer ferrules add more flex to the hit. Shorter ferrules add power to the hit. The density of the material also affects the hit. Denser materials add more deflection, softer materials reduce deflection and reduce the power of the hit.
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Mike T.
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Hogman,
I used ivory and then melamine for many years with similar results. I wanted the harder hit of melamine and on the advice of Mike Siegel, and others, this is the material I used. I recently ordered a cue with Aegeis 2(? sp.) and the softer material allows for me to get more on the cueball with the same stroke. If you have a more powerful stroke, the harder ferrule material will work fine. If you have a little less powerful stroke, look into the softer ferrule materials. The hit is different and the new material will take some getting used to, but it gives one more option to help your game.
Mike T.
I used ivory and then melamine for many years with similar results. I wanted the harder hit of melamine and on the advice of Mike Siegel, and others, this is the material I used. I recently ordered a cue with Aegeis 2(? sp.) and the softer material allows for me to get more on the cueball with the same stroke. If you have a more powerful stroke, the harder ferrule material will work fine. If you have a little less powerful stroke, look into the softer ferrule materials. The hit is different and the new material will take some getting used to, but it gives one more option to help your game.
Mike T.
Rusty in Montana
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Well I'm just asking a point of ponderment if you would ..... many year's ago I asked Frank McGown what his thoughts were on ferrules he of course played with ivory on his favorite cues.
But he did mention how many players liked buck horn ferrules .
Since then you rarely ever hear of them or it being used .
Any thoughts on this I'd like to hear them good or bad .
But he did mention how many players liked buck horn ferrules .
Since then you rarely ever hear of them or it being used .
Any thoughts on this I'd like to hear them good or bad .
How did you find an 18yr old thread??
Rusty in Montana
Well-known member
I'm bored and there's nothing worth watching on tv , your turn what's your thoughts on the ferrules ?
My cue has one. Its white.
Rusty in Montana
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Just one ???
I have not had a cue with ivory ferrules since I sold my last custom Richard Black cue back in the late 80s.
I just picked up a Searing shaft with an ivory ferrule and shot with it for the first time last Sunday.
It hit different than my other shafts, but there are a lot of differences between my other shafts and the Searing.
The taper is different, the ferrule is different, and it has an Ultraskin black medium tip on it while all my other shafts have Ultraskin black soft tips.
One thing I like about ivory is that it stays nice and clean.
I just picked up a Searing shaft with an ivory ferrule and shot with it for the first time last Sunday.
It hit different than my other shafts, but there are a lot of differences between my other shafts and the Searing.
The taper is different, the ferrule is different, and it has an Ultraskin black medium tip on it while all my other shafts have Ultraskin black soft tips.
One thing I like about ivory is that it stays nice and clean.
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Rusty in Montana
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I agree there's nothing quite like ivory , it's been quite some time since I've used a cue that had ivory ferrules .
As for the buck horn it was just my curious nature asking if anyone has used or seen a cue with it since there's such a wealth of information and experience here .
As for the buck horn it was just my curious nature asking if anyone has used or seen a cue with it since there's such a wealth of information and experience here .
still in play,
this little longer than normal ferrule is a necessity cause I kept messing up the shaft on redo's.
tv and Montana seem to be in common with Yellowstone, the show... a foreshadow? how to deal with the deep state of communist whom have raped the soul of America while stealing the wealth of future generations.
this little longer than normal ferrule is a necessity cause I kept messing up the shaft on redo's.
tv and Montana seem to be in common with Yellowstone, the show... a foreshadow? how to deal with the deep state of communist whom have raped the soul of America while stealing the wealth of future generations.
Rusty in Montana
Well-known member
I feel they do affect the hit to a certain extent as does the tip and each players own stroke or ability.
There's temperature and humidity along with condition of the cloth and the pool balls on the table.
If you really want a different experience leave your custom cue in its case and shoot a rack of 8 9 or 10 ball with a wood broom handle, yes I can hear all the whining about it but try it once and you'll find out how good your favorite chalk is also ha ha
There's temperature and humidity along with condition of the cloth and the pool balls on the table.
If you really want a different experience leave your custom cue in its case and shoot a rack of 8 9 or 10 ball with a wood broom handle, yes I can hear all the whining about it but try it once and you'll find out how good your favorite chalk is also ha ha
umm...
well,
staying in the meme of 'having a good foundation', diffidently affects the hit area.
