Filipino triumphs are habit-forming....
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I was gonna say something, but I changed my mind.
Just congratulate the winners. By boasting too much and then came the drought, you might find yourself bombarded with not so good replys.
Playsome said:
None of the people you mentioned would play Orcullo or Alcano even. They would ask for weight. Are YOU willing to put up one the players you mentioned against Dennis or Ronnie, playing EVEN, and would you bet it up? I doubt it.
They want it more - that's all. I'm not saying that there isn't any American's that want it just as bad, but they don't have as many high caliber players all around to learn from (and the hi-cals don't teach for free), because there are so many more people over there who just WANT it.
That's my opinion... for right now.
That's my opinion... for right now.
AZE said:
Not only do they want it more and are willing to travel to chase the dream, they are BETTER players! Sorry, but it's a fact. The filipinos play a little better brand of pool today than any American players. Rodney, Corey and Johnny are the best we can muster. And they wouldn't match up well with the three top filipinos (or any of the top ten).
In the same week, Kiamco and Gabica dominated a bar table tourney full of top American players and Alcano and Orcullo did the same to a world class field in Dubai on big tables. Better get used to it, because it may only get worse (or better depending on your point of view). The only player I see in the states who has a chance to break this cycle is Shane. He is willing to do whatever it takes to be a top player.
I don't see one other young player who is as motivaterd as Shane. And that's a shame. And this is part of the problem over here. Our top players do not appear to be as motivated to play pool as the filipinos. And it shows up in the results.
this might happen with the women as well ,in the future.jay helfert said:
jay helfert said:
Maybe it would benefit Shane a lot if he spends some time in the Philippines. I am sure the moment he walks in a pool hall, they all will be swarming over him like flies. Hey, no pain no gain. Sure, he would lose some money at first but the experience and knowledge he will gain will be priceless. Then, when he comes back here, he can be even better than he currrently is right now.
f210 said:
Funny you bring that up. Shane is planning such a trip in the near future. This is what I mean by motivation. It will take the top level players to beat Shane over there. He is no mark by any means.
jay helfert said:
Do not forget the recent Derby City Classic wherein the Filipinos placed 1-2-3 (Efren, Luat & Bustamante) in the over-all rankings. Nobody wanted to match up with them 'even' in money games. And when the other players saw Parica & Bustamante waiting for them in the ring game with Efren and Dennis Orcullo near the vicinity, nobody wanted to join. It would be too funny if it is not too sad at the same time. This is reflective of the current state of American pool.
jay helfert said:
Hope he proceeds with his plan in the near future. Between Taiwan and the Philippines, he would be better off in the Philippines. Since a lot of people over there speak English and are quite hospitable, he would have less trouble communicating. I think he would not have a lot of trouble matching up with Efren, Bustamante, Orcullo, Alcano, etc. I remember reading Roy's story (or is that his friend?)about playing with Efren in cheap money games and Efren jumping up and down while running around the table to celebrate that small victory after the game is finish. They really love pool over there.
f210 said:
You're talking the top echelon players here. Shane may start out with second echelon guys like Roberto Gomez, Jeff De Luna, Edgar Acaba and a few others. No need to start at the top.
Listen, there are 17 year old kids over there who play high speed 9-Ball. They would be top ten players over here. Now Shane can match up with kids like this right now and have his hands full. But I will bet on Shane because he stands up so well for the money.
Playsome said:
American invitations were extended, no one stepped up to the plate.
I laugh when you suggest that "SVB, Kirkwood, Bowman, and many other play as well or better" than the top Filipinos. Don't flatter yourself, these guys would get killed playing even eight or nine ball against the likes of Orcullo, Reyes, and Bustamante.
I would not jump to conclusions
It see that the creator of this thread is the one selling the book on the filipino pool secrets. So
obviously it is in his/her interest to milk filipino wins as much as possible.
But if I could play good enough to beat Efren, I would certainly NOT match up with him at any
cost. To do so and win would hurt or even kill future action. My point here is that because
someone refuses to match up with them, does not prove anything. Brag while you can though
while it lasts, the conditions are perfect now to do so.
It see that the creator of this thread is the one selling the book on the filipino pool secrets. So
obviously it is in his/her interest to milk filipino wins as much as possible.
But if I could play good enough to beat Efren, I would certainly NOT match up with him at any
cost. To do so and win would hurt or even kill future action. My point here is that because
someone refuses to match up with them, does not prove anything. Brag while you can though
while it lasts, the conditions are perfect now to do so.
whitey2 said:
hi whitey2,whether i sell a book or not is immaterial, it is an established fact that filipinos have been garnering enough victories in pool tournaments lately...as jay helfert puts it " we can't deny the fact that they had been ahead among their peers".....
pool whiz said:
whether i sell a book or not is immaterial, it is an established fact that filipinos have been garnering enough victories in pool tournaments lately...as jay helfert puts it " we can't deny the fact that they had been ahead among their peers".....
so proud
Congrats to Ronnie... better luck for Dennis next time..