Finishing/Clearcoat J/P's and small items

I have used the sealer and clearcoat from Joe at CC for a couple of years now and it has worked out very well for ME...It's very simple to do,won't run the wife AND BABYout of the house, buffs out like a chrome bumber - super shinney, comes with all the info needed to use....It is not as hard as CA or epoxy, but I would rather have a dent in a cue than a piece of finish that chipped out because of the hardness, it's easier to me to fix at a later date...Just my 2 cents....

And after they set a day or so I buff on an 18" low speed buffer, then wax with Carnuba, works wonders ...

Thanks Cruked for the info and shared knowledge, Joe at CC has graciously given me the opportunity to call him and talk to him and he'll explain some of it over the phone to me. I don't have anything completed that needs clearcoated as of right now, but I will in a few days and hopefully Joe will share some of his knowledge with me when it comes time to finish them.
 
The body shop down the street has been shooting the few I've made...same finish: Auto clearcoat.

-Jason

Thanks Jason for the input. I don't know if you read ALL the posts, but as I mentioned I work at a car dealership in the parts dept and we USE to have a very large body shop, but we closed the body shop and sub all the work out now.

I work on the SHOP parts counter and deal with ONLY technicians (NO public, NO phones, NO wholesale, NO body shops, etc..), have had this same position for 15 years here, so being OUT of the public loop for so long I don't really know any of the painters at the body shops around here. ALTHOUGH I COULD go through a few guys here and get the body shop we sub all our work out to, to spray them for me.

How are yours turning out having someone else spary them ?? What kind of prep work do you have to do for them to be sprayed with auto clear ?? Are the guys spraying them buffing them out and polishing them for you or is that something you do when you get them back ?? I have seriously thought about doing this but didn't quite know how to approach the painter with what all needs to be done.

Thanks again for the info and the input.

Lee
 
Since you are doing little projects have you thought of using clear enamel fingernail polish.it is thick,covers well and dries quickly.sand between coats for smoothness then polish out.or top coat with a clear enamel spray bomb.

bill

Hi Bill and thanks for the input. Actually, I MYSELF have not UNTIL I made a set for my team captain, gave them to him with no finish, and the first thing he said, was he was gonna get his girlfriends clear nail polish and finish them with her nail polish. I haven't seen them yet though. We shoot tonight so maybe I'll see them tonight.
 
There are far better compounds available, but here are 2 that I get acceptable results from when rubbing out Ca, and They are readily available at most auto parts stores. I use them after going all the way down through My various grit papers to bring the shine out.

The other Pictures of the cue are a little fuzzy, and the lighting is bad, so they look much better in person, but It gives the basic Idea of how well It polishes the stuff. This Player cue (not high dollar collectible cue) was done using a epoxy base, and a CA top cote.

The other pictures are of a make shift sanding block that I made from some aluminum angle for leveling out the bed of the finish. I lined up and stuck some adhesive backed lengths of thin weatherstripping that I had lying around from another project to the inside angle. It is wide enough that I can use the edges of It to get a grip on without getting My fingers into the cue, it also allows me to easily hold the paper in place while sanding.

I used 2 types, I started with a thin viscosity, then used a gel to build up several cotes of thickness, then follow with the thin over the top to help fill any low spots. I sand making sure that I don't sand through, If I still have valleys that's ok, I just clean well with acetone, let dry, then do some more cotes of Ca. After the second session I usually have enough to level the bed of the finish out, and have no valleys left. CA can be tricky to work with until You get the hang of it, but what I can tell You is that all CA is not the same, some work better then others for this, and are more durable then others as well. You just got to find what works best for ya. With that said, regardless of which side of the fence someone is on when it comes to using this stuff, The types that I use are not cost effective, and in the long haul, It is much cheaper per cue to use auto clear. For small projects Like JP's or pens maybe not as expensive to use.



If that cue was done with CA, that looks damn nice !!!!!
 
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Thanks Jason for the input. I don't know if you read ALL the posts, but as I mentioned I work at a car dealership in the parts dept and we USE to have a very large body shop, but we closed the body shop and sub all the work out now.

I work on the SHOP parts counter and deal with ONLY technicians (NO public, NO phones, NO wholesale, NO body shops, etc..), have had this same position for 15 years here, so being OUT of the public loop for so long I don't really know any of the painters at the body shops around here. ALTHOUGH I COULD go through a few guys here and get the body shop we sub all our work out to, to spray them for me.

How are yours turning out having someone else spary them ?? What kind of prep work do you have to do for them to be sprayed with auto clear ?? Are the guys spraying them buffing them out and polishing them for you or is that something you do when you get them back ?? I have seriously thought about doing this but didn't quite know how to approach the painter with what all needs to be done.

Thanks again for the info and the input.

Lee
 
If that cue was done with CA, that looks damn nice !!!!!

If you have the third edition Blue Book, all of my cues shown for that shoot were done with a CA finish. I think they are on page 33 if I remember right, J. Alan Cues.... As Joe and others have said, it's just a matter of getting the technique down. I've helped a lot of others with CA finish and the most common problem I see is not doing enough coats.

EDIT: found one of the old pics, see below, all of these are CA finished
 

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If you have the third edition Blue Book, all of my cues shown for that shoot were done with a CA finish. I think they are on page 33 if I remember right, J. Alan Cues.... As Joe and others have said, it's just a matter of getting the technique down. I've helped a lot of others with CA finish and the most common problem I see is not doing enough coats.

EDIT: found one of the old pics, see below, all of these are CA finished

Damnnnnnnnn Jeff, those look beautiful !!!! I didn't know a CA finish could turn out that nice.

I don't "think" my problem is the amount of coats (I don't think I've gotten that far yet,lol), I think my main problem starts with not doing enough prep work. I think my second problem is how I apply it. So far, have only used a paper towel and when it's finished drying I can see swirls in the finish where the cue was spinning in the lathe when the CA was applied. And last, my biggest problem is not knowing how to polish and buff it out when finished.

I replaced a McDermott butt cap and used a CA finish to clearcoat it and I must say I was impressed with how it looked, I only put on 5 coats in one night and had all intentions of putting on more the next night, I mean it REALLY looked good. I took it out the lathe for some odd reason that night and the butt cap slid across the headstock jaws and scratched the hell out of my new CA finish, after that I was devastated and mad as hell at myself for even taking it out the lathe. After that, my CA finishes have all been down hill from that point,lol.
 
Damnnnnnnnn Jeff, those look beautiful !!!! I didn't know a CA finish could turn out that nice.

I don't "think" my problem is the amount of coats (I don't think I've gotten that far yet,lol), I think my main problem starts with not doing enough prep work. I think my second problem is how I apply it. So far, have only used a paper towel and when it's finished drying I can see swirls in the finish where the cue was spinning in the lathe when the CA was applied. And last, my biggest problem is not knowing how to polish and buff it out when finished.

I replaced a McDermott butt cap and used a CA finish to clearcoat it and I must say I was impressed with how it looked, I only put on 5 coats in one night and had all intentions of putting on more the next night, I mean it REALLY looked good. I took it out the lathe for some odd reason that night and the butt cap slid across the headstock jaws and scratched the hell out of my new CA finish, after that I was devastated and mad as hell at myself for even taking it out the lathe. After that, my CA finishes have all been down hill from that point,lol.


PM sent to yah Dirt..
 
I've used CA, Ceramithane, and Cue Cote. Personally, I don't like Ceramithane (water based urethane), but Whammo57 swears by it. I've had some good results with CA, but I like Cue Cote best (UV blocking slow cure epoxy). I thin it with acetone and apply it in thin coats. The acetone evaporates long before the epoxy cures, leaving a very clear coating.
 
For joint protectors you might want to consider dipping them in water based urethane. Did once a day for 4 or five days and you should have a nice deep finish. With it being a little thicker it is a little easier to sand and buff.
 
For joint protectors you might want to consider dipping them in water based urethane. Did once a day for 4 or five days and you should have a nice deep finish. With it being a little thicker it is a little easier to sand and buff.

PM sent Chris
 
I didn't see anyone mention 20 min epoxy for a finish. I have tried CA and love the look but hate the work it takes to get that finish. I only make a few cues a year and finishing them is what I struggle with. 20 minute epoxy with CA top coat(3-5coats) looks great, the epoxy builds a nice think base and the CA brings out a great gloss. A trick you need to know is after mixing the epoxy it must sit for a few minutes for the bubbles to rise and the chemical reaction to start to happen. Also 10 seconds in the microwave can help with the bubbles also. Another thing with epoxy is that the cue needs to spin slowly until it cures enoough (sometimes up to 1-2 hours)

CC has a great 5 part polishing system for about $35. The problem with the system is after I tried it and saw the results, I had to start polishing the other cues I had. Truly worked great.
 
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