Finishing Pockets w/o Staples or Cuts?

HardBall

HardBall

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I recently joined these forums. Among the first threads I saw was one about people leaving staples in the table when recovering. Glen posted this image of his method of finishing pockets:
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This almost seems impossible. I wonder if Glen or others who use this technique would share some of the details?

Right now I am recovering a Diamond Pro with 860. I always line the pockets and make "V" cuts in the bed cloth. Glen's method looks much nicer.

Thanks.
 
There's a real perfectionist for you. Actually there are staples but you can't see them. The pocket is closed in the normal manner and another piece of cloth is stapled on above the first staples and then flipped over to cover everything and then stapled to the bottom of the liner. The 'Green Book' has a much better illustrated explanation of how to do that. It's the most elegant way to close a pocket.

Sorry if this explanation is unclear!
 
Its all about how you stretch the cloth... I havent learned Glen's method of glueing but I would love too. I have to deal with what I've learned on my own and that requires using staples and lots of them. There is a method that needs to be followed when stretching the cloth the way I do. How are you stretching your cloth? What are the steps you take...

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***note - the fingers get trimmed and make it look much better when complete. Look at the rip in the cloth. Mali has gone hill, this never used tp happen. I stretch the hell out of cloth.
 
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HardBall said:
I recently joined these forums. Among the first threads I saw was one about people leaving staples in the table when recovering. Glen posted this image of his method of finishing pockets:
125222121-M.jpg

This almost seems impossible. I wonder if Glen or others who use this technique would share some of the details?

Right now I am recovering a Diamond Pro with 860. I always line the pockets and make "V" cuts in the bed cloth. Glen's method looks much nicer.

Thanks.
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Don't worry, soon enough all my tricks of the trade will be available on DVD this year as I'm going to quit this game soon enough and want to pass on my years of experience to anyone interested. :D

Glen
 
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realkingcobra said:
Don't worry, soon enough all my tricks of the trade will be available on DVD this year as I'm going to quit this game soon enough and want to pass on my years of experience to anyone interested. :D

Glen
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I'm just a novice but I'm eagerly anticipating the roll out of your DVD. It's obvious you are an expert who pays close attention to detail and that's pretty much the name of the game. Count me in for a copy.
 
CamposCues said:
I'm just a novice but I'm eagerly anticipating the roll out of your DVD. It's obvious you are an expert who pays close attention to detail and that's pretty much the name of the game. Count me in for a copy.
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There's going to be serveral DVD's, so all you'll have to order is the one spicific to what you're interested in. They'll be covering everything from recovering Valley bar table rails, valley one piece slates, to recovering feather stripped rails, to leveling 3 piece slates, recovering 3 piece slates, my gluing methods...and everything in between.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
There's going to be serveral DVD's, so all you'll have to order is the one spicific to what you're interested in. They'll be covering everything from recovering Valley bar table rails, valley one piece slates, to recovering feather stripped rails, to leveling 3 piece slates, recovering 3 piece slates, my gluing methods...and everything in between.

Glen
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Not knowing who you were, when you first started here on this form IMHO, I thought you were an arrogant ***** BUT after all the info you have shared, techniques and proper tools and pics and such I have reevaluated my opinion and have to say you really are a master MECHANIC. Not that my opinion means anything to anybody else.
I certainly hope that you will produce a set of DVD's for the masses. I for one, would certainly get in line to order a set. I would think the benefit of these DVD's could literally save a person years in trail and error.
I'm not even interested in being a table mechanic but I would still like to have a library of information for reference if needed!!!!!

no-sho
 
no-sho said:
Not knowing who you were, when you first started here on this form IMHO, I thought you were an arrogant ***** BUT after all the info you have shared, techniques and proper tools and pics and such I have reevaluated my opinion and have to say you really are a master MECHANIC. Not that my opinion means anything to anybody else.
I certainly hope that you will produce a set of DVD's for the masses. I for one, would certainly get in line to order a set. I would think the benefit of these DVD's could literally save a person years in trail and error.
I'm not even interested in being a table mechanic but I would still like to have a library of information for reference if needed!!!!!

no-sho
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Thank you for your change in heart...LOL In Washington state about 20 years or so ago, I use to produce and mail out over 1200 news letters straight to bar owners with pool tables, not with the intention of increasing my already over worked work load, but to inform the bar owners of what was right and what was wrong. In this news letter I also included 12 questions to ask anyone looking to recover their pool tables to see if they even knew what they were talking about let alone trying to get the bar owner to pay for. The 12 questions screwed up the income to a lot of "wanna be" so called billiards technicians...LOL...sorry...hehe. I just think and feel like the more a homeowner or bar owner knows about this business...the better off they are in the long run. This is why there's no such thing as a one DVD does all type of thing...it's impossible! I'd like to think that the DVDs will be to billiards like Chilton's is to auto mechanics...you buy the manual spicific to your needs! Showing you what I do in such a way that you can't copy it is ego, showing you what and how I do what I do...is teaching!

Glen
 
Same pocket openings on a 1" Diamond 9ft ProAm slate without the backing.
 

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Glen, it's been not long since I turned back to reading AZB forums and finally started posting :) One of the reasons to do it was your precious advice on table mechanics work. I appreciate it a lot as I am dreaming of building a table myself someday. Thus, I will need all this stuff for sure. So, consider delivering some of your DVDs to Russia ;)
Also I hope you will continue the thread "How to install and level 3-piece slate", the most thorough study I've seen online so far.
GL!
 
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In your set of dvds are you going to show how to convert tables? I have ran across oldbilliard tables that have been converted wrong and have did the best i could to get them playing the way they should. Another words billiard tables converted to snooker and pool tables. The bigest thing that i need help wth is a guide for when these are converted on how to cut the rails properly and what angle of rubber to use.
Thanx, Ron
 
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In your set of dvds are you going to show how to convert tables? I have ran across oldbilliard tables that have been converted wrong and have did the best i could to get them playing the way they should. Another words billiard tables converted to snooker and pool tables. The bigest thing that i need help wth is a guide for when these are converted on how to cut the rails properly and what angle of rubber to use.
Thanx, Ron
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Hmmm...that's a hard one to address because of your unique situation. I can help you with that, but it has to be on a case by case basis because no two are going to be alike if you know what I mean.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Thank you for your change in heart...LOL In Washington state about 20 years or so ago, I use to produce and mail out over 1200 news letters straight to bar owners with pool tables, not with the intention of increasing my already over worked work load, but to inform the bar owners of what was right and what was wrong. In this news letter I also included 12 questions to ask anyone looking to recover their pool tables to see if they even knew what they were talking about let alone trying to get the bar owner to pay for. The 12 questions screwed up the income to a lot of "wanna be" so called billiards technicians...LOL...sorry...hehe. I just think and feel like the more a homeowner or bar owner knows about this business...the better off they are in the long run. This is why there's no such thing as a one DVD does all type of thing...it's impossible! I'd like to think that the DVDs will be to billiards like Chilton's is to auto mechanics...you buy the manual spicific to your needs! Showing you what I do in such a way that you can't copy it is ego, showing you what and how I do what I do...is teaching!

Glen
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Would you mind posting the 12 questions for the benefit of those AZB'ers who, like myself, will soon be shopping for a good table mechanic? Thanks.

Tim
 
Instead of posting the questions...the DVDs will be available soon...then you can ask them all the questions you want...or even show them how to do the work...LOL

Glen

PS. The 12 questions were for bar owners with bar tables as I seldom ever do home style or pool hall tables...not that I can't...LOL

Glen
 
It's going to take a few weeks to make the beginning DVDs. They have to cover a lot of different areas. The first DVDs will be all about installing and leveling 3-piece slates which for the most part, covers the basic principals of all 3-piece slates. Then there'll be about 6 to maybe 8 more DVDs specific to certain types of tables on how to install the bed cloths and rail cloths. There's a huge difference between bar tables and 6 rail home style tables that are feather striped. Commercial tables such as Diamonds, Brunswick's, Gabriel's and the such are in a class all their own. Then you have the DVDs about replacing rail rubber, adding facings and so on, so there's a lot going into these DVDs...including how to move bar tables...with my dolly's, how to install tables...I could go on and on...but, I suppose you'd just get bored...LMAO Oh, did I mention Snooker tables or Billiards tables yet?...LOL

Glen

The first ones should be out in about maybe 6 to 8 weeks from now...available through???...hehe
 
realkingcobra said:
It's going to take a few weeks to make the beginning DVDs. They have to cover a lot of different areas. The first DVDs will be all about installing and leveling 3-piece slates which for the most part, covers the basic principals of all 3-piece slates.
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The first ones should be out in about maybe 6 to 8 weeks from now...available through???...hehe
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Oh great news. I don't yet have a room ready for my future table but by the time it is I will learn everything about how to install the table by heart :D
I think I will not deal with bar tables ever, so will let these aside probably. But still hope that you are going to teach us what is under #5 of leveling 3-peice slate in respective thread :) Great to have such mechanics as realkingcobra and Poolschool sharing their knowledge!
 
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