For a one rail kick, does top spin turn into backspin and backspin into top?

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This is something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t have a good enough stroke. If you play a one rail kick and get a full contact on the object ball, and if you put a lot of topspin will it draw the cue ball back? And if you apply backspin will it act as top? When I practice this usually the cue ball just stops regardless of spin on a full hit.
 
This is something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t have a good enough stroke. If you play a one rail kick and get a full contact on the object ball, and if you put a lot of topspin will it draw the cue ball back? And if you apply backspin will it act as top? When I practice this usually the cue ball just stops regardless of spin on a full hit.
The neat thing about kicking as opposed to jumping is that you can learn to kick safe and control forward and backward movement after contact.
 
This is something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t have a good enough stroke. If you play a one rail kick and get a full contact on the object ball, and if you put a lot of topspin will it draw the cue ball back? And if you apply backspin will it act as top? When I practice this usually the cue ball just stops regardless of spin on a full hit.

See the HSV videos linked at the bottom of the main section (before the Patrick Johnson quote) here:

bank and kick shot effects

Enjoy!
 
This is something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t have a good enough stroke. If you play a one rail kick and get a full contact on the object ball, and if you put a lot of topspin will it draw the cue ball back? And if you apply backspin will it act as top? When I practice this usually the cue ball just stops regardless of spin on a full hit.
Different cushions work different ways. Often the cushion will stop nearly all the follow/draw spin on the cue ball and you will get a stop shot if you hit the OB full.

If the cushion is slippery -- say from new cloth -- the cue ball does not lose all its follow going into the cushion and when it hits an object ball full, it can return to the cushion.

If the cushion is very sticky, it can actually wind up and change the direction of spin on the cue ball so it will have follow when it leaves the cushion.

It's not a matter of a good follow stroke since the cue ball will be rolling smoothly on the cloth in nearly all follow-shot cases. It's mostly a matter of getting a full hit on the OB.
 
This is something I’ve never fully understood, probably because I don’t have a good enough stroke. If you play a one rail kick and get a full contact on the object ball, and if you put a lot of topspin will it draw the cue ball back? And if you apply backspin will it act as top? When I practice this usually the cue ball just stops regardless of spin on a full hit.
The CB keeps spinning the same way. The direction changes so it reverses relative to the movement of the CB.
And yes, if you put draw on a ball on a one rail kick when it hits the OB full it will follow through. And top spin will cause the CB to stop or slow down when it hits the OB. There are other factors though. The CB rate of spin decreases or increases to match the speed of the CB so this effect is limited in distance. You can’t expect to hit an OB more than a diamond or so off the rail and have the CB still have any draw on it.
 
There is an old VHS tape where Grady Mathews says that spin on the CB stays on the CB until it stops. I have found that to be true.
 
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