For all you CNC Enthusiasts.....

Gibbscam primarily,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I've never used Gibbscam. I have an older copy on CD somewhere. Have a bunch of others too like ArtCAM, MaxNC, Rhino., BobCad, etc..
When I first started it was manually, line by line on a Commodore 64. I made up RS232 cables to hookup to all the machines so I didn't have to punch tapes any more. It all worked ok but a pain programming anything even vaguely complex. Later we got a PC and Mastercam and it was a big improvement.

Work like the engine block in the video is programmed with solid models anymore,,,,,,,,,,autocad is pretty much useless for that in comparison to Pro E, Unigraphics, Solidworks, etc,,,,,,,,we can get some of the models from OEM (Boeing, McDonnell, Sikorsky, Bell), but most we make ourselves,,,,sometime by reverse engineering with our laser scanner/Faro Arm. The Toolpaths and Cutting Strategies are all created by us, in CNC Programming.

If I was doing 3D modeling I would look at something like Solidworks and Pro-E but for making pockets and inlays AutoCAD and BobCAD will do fine. Plus, I have someone I can ask that uses both all the time. What's a "Faro Arm"? Will that scan around a 3D object?



Not much use for remembering codes for this type of programming honestly,,,,,,way too much code to do manual edits anyway. The Post processor writes all the code, based on cutting process established in the cam software. Also, when doing this type of work, we do not use work offsets, G54 etc,,,,,,,We use what we call dynamic work offset, which really means program the part exactly where it is within the work envelope of the machine on the machines pallet, pedestal, fixture, etc,,,,,,this way, no matter where the part rotates, tilts, slides, etc,,,,,the software and machine are in sync. All axis limits, tilt angles, Tilt fulcrum points, centers of rotation, etc. must be defined exactly in what is called an MDD file, or Machine description dialog file,,,,,,,so that if when posting, a process must exceed a physical tilt or stroke limit to complete, the post will output code to revert the part to it's opposite vector so that the machine can reach all of the cut. That's what causes all the extreme rotations and tilts. This machining is usually done in the G93 mode, which is Inverse Time Feedrates, instead of inches per minute.

Never used G93 but I've also never used a 5-axis machine. I believe it was all G90, G91 and/or work Coords. It really has been a while. If I remember right we would start out in Abs mode then (say we had a fixture that held 12 valve bodies) use the work coords for each part. Then it was essentially only one program that could be used for all 12 parts instead of having code specifically written for all 12 parts. Does that sound right?

Just googled G93, so you tell how long it takes the move to complete? Kind of odd you have to put an "F", feedrate on every line where you use G1, G2, or G3. Wonder why its not modal? Wonder how long it would take to get my brain out of IPM mode? I still can't get used to the Metric system down.

Curious about one thing. Take the engine block from theh above video. How long would it take to get from print to part? Say that they only gave you a stack of prints and a block of metal
 
CNC Programmer job in IL

Just in case you or someone you know is looking for a CNC Programmer job. I got this from a headhunter today. I am only posting this here since this thread was about CNCs.

I DO NOT KNOW HIM OR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS JOB.

Here are the main points in the email. I can send you the whole description but you might be better off just contacting the guy below.

Incredible starting salary up to $100,000 plus comprehensive benefits package, matched 401(k), and tuition reimbursement in a company with an ability to grow year after year and is driven by ability to attract, develop and retain world-class people!

For complete details contact Alex Riddle at:
(609) 584-9000 ext 210

Or submit resume online at:
http://dmc9.com/war/app.asp

Or email to:
1000009974_10007298@candabcseek.com

Please reference #34033 when responding.

Education Requirements: Some College
Minimum Experience Requirements: 2-5 years
Job City Location: Park Ridge
Job State Location: IL
Job Country Location: USA
Salary Range: $70,000 to $100,000

If you are interested in this position or if you know anyone that might be interested, please forward this to them or contact:

Contact Name: William Riddle
Email to: 1000009974_10007298@candabcseek.com
Apply Online at: http://dmc9.com/war/app.asp
Call: 609.584.9000x210

Company Name: Diedre Moire Corporation, Inc.
 
I've never used Gibbscam. I have an older copy on CD somewhere. Have a bunch of others too like ArtCAM, MaxNC, Rhino., BobCad, etc..
When I first started it was manually, line by line on a Commodore 64. I made up RS232 cables to hookup to all the machines so I didn't have to punch tapes any more. It all worked ok but a pain programming anything even vaguely complex. Later we got a PC and Mastercam and it was a big improvement.

I started this way basically,,,,,,,,,legal pd, #2 pencils (several), and a Trig book. Eventually got Smartcam, which at that time was basically a word processor. RS232 is still the nuts,,,,,,,some newer stuff actually has ethernet cables.

If I was doing 3D modeling I would look at something like Solidworks and Pro-E but for making pockets and inlays AutoCAD and BobCAD will do fine. Plus, I have someone I can ask that uses both all the time. What's a "Faro Arm"? Will that scan around a 3D object?

Faro is basically a portable coordinate measuring device, though quite versatile. You add a laser scanner to it and a scan into special software, we use Geomagic. Basically it works similar to sonar,,,,,the result is a 3D point cloud of the shape, any shape, that you work on with tools in the software to clean up noise, sharpen edfes and features, etc,,,,,,,then convert to polygons, (little triangles), then to sheets, then solids. A timely process,,,,,,but deadly accurate, especially for odd shapes without tech data.


Never used G93 but I've also never used a 5-axis machine. I believe it was all G90, G91 and/or work Coords. It really has been a while. If I remember right we would start out in Abs mode then (say we had a fixture that held 12 valve bodies) use the work coords for each part. Then it was essentially only one program that could be used for all 12 parts instead of having code specifically written for all 12 parts. Does that sound right?

Just googled G93, so you tell how long it takes the move to complete? Kind of odd you have to put an "F", feedrate on every line where you use G1, G2, or G3. Wonder why its not modal? Wonder how long it would take to get my brain out of IPM mode? I still can't get used to the Metric system down.

Multiaxis simultaneous motion, especially with tilt and rotation uses Time to insure all axis' arive at the destination simultaneously. Basically, the post UNWRAPS, the Geomety, figures out the longest Linear distance of every feature of motion/shape, looks at the programmers preferred feedrate, calculates how long to arrive over that distance at that feedrate, and inputs that time, in milliseconds, into the code. Every line is a motion that makes a shape, and since all shapes (line length) vary, so must time. So Inverse Time Feedrate=Time to cover Distance at Feed Rate.

Curious about one thing. Take the engine block from theh above video. How long would it take to get from print to part? Say that they only gave you a stack of prints and a block of metal

Actually, by aerospace standards, the engine block is not that complicated,,,,though it is a bit of metal removal. I'd estimate maybe 3 days programming. Once a program is proved out the block could realistically be machined (aluminum) in 8 to 12 hours, with proper tooling.

I saw the post about the Job,,,,,,,,thanks, but I'm done in a few more years.
 
Last edited:
Very cool

I saw the post about the Job,,,,,,,,thanks, but I'm done in a few more years.

Just thought I'd throw it out there. I'll delete it in a couple days.

You know, now that I think about it, it was SmartCam. We must have gotten a later version because it was more than a WP, it definitely had graphic displays of the parts and tool paths.

That Faro Arm sounds really cool. Seriously. I would love to play with that stuff but like you I am near the end of my career and going back to learn all the new stuff would be difficult.... my old brain synapses just don't spark like they used to. I loved being a Machinist, not sure why but that stuff always made sense to me and at the end of the day I had something tangible to show for my time. Unlike what I've been doing the last 20+ years

I could have used something like that a few times. I remember I made torpedo fins (we made the actuators as well) and doing that profile took some time to get right. I guess these would have been State of the Art back in the early 80's, the actuators moved the fins to steer the torpedo. It would have been too much to try to program it with a ball mill. I made a profile cutter out of a Spade Drill. Took me a couple dozen times on a cutter grinder to get it perfect. Now, my friend could make that cutter in minutes on his CNC EDM. But why bother when most CAD/CAM programs these days can gen the paths in minutes. I would agree that engine block is not really complicated, just involved, especially doing it all in essentially one operation. I get the G93 now. By using time it gets all the axis' to synch. I was wondering how you get 3 or 4 simultaneous moves to work together. Makes sense.

Hey, thanks for all the info.... really does make me miss working in a shop and doing something real with my time!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OerMJ3YQ2c&feature=youtu.be

Heres a video of what I do at work, just thought it would be a good share for this thread.

Id love to have that job posted as it stands where I work,
I have to program, set up, machine, inspect and record dimensions, debur and clean the part and even load it on the truck sometimes lol and work about 70-80 hours a week to not even make the low end of what that job posted....

Neat thread.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OerMJ3YQ2c&feature=youtu.be

Heres a video of what I do at work, just thought it would be a good share for this thread.

Id love to have that job posted as it stands where I work,
I have to program, set up, machine, inspect and record dimensions, debur and clean the part and even load it on the truck sometimes lol and work about 70-80 hours a week to not even make the low end of what that job posted....

Neat thread.

Sounds just like what I did when I worked in that job shop.... except I didn't do shipping. I didn't mind deburring (yes we all had to deburr our own work) unless it was really hard material. Had this one job made out of Monel (can't remember what it made up of but definitely had Nickel in it). About 1" or so in dia. and maybe 1/2" or so thick with a couple turn dim. on top like a nipple. I had to run a keyway about 3/4 of the way into the side. They were a little hard to hold and sucked to deburr. Couldn't sand them, couldn't mess up the finish. I used one of the pointy deburr knives with the 3-sided blade. Gawd that stuff was hard and once the cutters got dull it was worse. I ran a couple thousand of those things and every now and then the knife would slip on a big burr and right into my hand. So it was either stop and sharpen the cutters or deal with the burrs.
I see you're running Fanuc, always was my preference. I thought Yasnac was a little clumsy to work with. Worked with a couple others but can't remember them. I had Fanuc 6M on most of the machines I worked with. Can't remember whats on my buddy's Mats 1000's but I really like how the tools are set. Might just be a later version of Fanuc.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OerMJ3YQ2c&feature=youtu.be

Heres a video of what I do at work, just thought it would be a good share for this thread.

Id love to have that job posted as it stands where I work,
I have to program, set up, machine, inspect and record dimensions, debur and clean the part and even load it on the truck sometimes lol and work about 70-80 hours a week to not even make the low end of what that job posted....

Neat thread.

Pretty neat part Trent,,,,,,,,,What software are you programming with,,,,,,I see you are looping sub-programs in the G-Code.

Sounds just like what I did when I worked in that job shop.... except I didn't do shipping. I didn't mind deburring (yes we all had to deburr our own work) unless it was really hard material. Had this one job made out of Monel (can't remember what it made up of but definitely had Nickel in it). About 1" or so in dia. and maybe 1/2" or so thick with a couple turn dim. on top like a nipple. I had to run a keyway about 3/4 of the way into the side. They were a little hard to hold and sucked to deburr. Couldn't sand them, couldn't mess up the finish. I used one of the pointy deburr knives with the 3-sided blade. Gawd that stuff was hard and once the cutters got dull it was worse. I ran a couple thousand of those things and every now and then the knife would slip on a big burr and right into my hand. So it was either stop and sharpen the cutters or deal with the burrs.
I see you're running Fanuc, always was my preference. I thought Yasnac was a little clumsy to work with. Worked with a couple others but can't remember them. I had Fanuc 6M on most of the machines I worked with. Can't remember whats on my buddy's Mats 1000's but I really like how the tools are set. Might just be a later version of Fanuc.

We use Fanuc 16's and 18's pretty much on most all of our machines currently.
 
Back
Top