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bruppert

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This is not pool related so feel free to ignore or delete.

Here is a link a Machinist buddy sent me awhile back to a video of a 5-Axis Matsuura CNC Mill machining an Engine Block COMPLETE without any operator intervention. I think this qualifies as badass. I'd say I want one but I'd totally waste it's capabilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmiIeAkE-o&feature=youtu.be
 
Thanks for sharing that i enjoyed it. I've actually seen then do jet engines, pretty amazing
 
Yes, but do you think it would be accurate enough to do a Pool cue? The components seemed weak and flimsy.:smile:
 
The Matsura mill at work, has so much coolant and mist that you can not see what is happening in the cabinet.They are very impressive machines.
Neil
 
Yes, but do you think it would be accurate enough to do a Pool cue? The components seemed weak and flimsy.:smile:

You are joking I hope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nothing flimsy there,,,,,,,,,,

is the person that wrote the file .

guys that can write files like that set there own wages.
MMike

I write files like that daily, (Aerospace Dept. of Defense). It's simply 5 axis simultaneous motion.

I tell 'em what I'm worth all the time, hell some of 'em actually believe me I think,,,,,,,,but Elbama has my pay frozen,,,,,,,,,,,,3 years and counting.
 
You are joking I hope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,nothing flimsy there,,,,,,,,,,



I write files like that daily, (Aerospace Dept. of Defense). It's simply 5 axis simultaneous motion.

I tell 'em what I'm worth all the time, hell some of 'em actually believe me I think,,,,,,,,but Elbama has my pay frozen,,,,,,,,,,,,3 years and counting.

Do you write it MANUALLY or plot it with gibbscam or mastercam?
I can't even imagine beyond A,X,Y and Z .:confused:
Hell, editnc even gets lost. :grin-square:
 
Do you write it MANUALLY or plot it with gibbscam or mastercam?
I can't even imagine beyond A,X,Y and Z .:confused:
Hell, editnc even gets lost. :grin-square:

I think Don told me that machine has its own programming platform. I couldn't even begin to imagine what it would take to program that engine block manually. Although pretty impressive, I would look at each section individually when programming it. Even then, I wonder how long I'd have to sit and think about it before actually starting.

More than likely they do it like my buddy does, import from Autocad into the CAM software to do the Posting. So the engineers would actually have a lot of the work done for you.
 
I can remember when I thought I would never catch on to Maxro Calls and G Coding in BobCad but it is simple Z, X,Y W. I am guessing the 5th command is to change the tool?

I by no means am a master at ANYTHING. I believe however Cue Makers do not give themselves enough credit. In what other industry do the people have an idea, its not out there to buy so the Cuemaker makes it himself?
 
I can remember when I thought I would never catch on to Maxro Calls and G Coding in BobCad but it is simple Z, X,Y W. I am guessing the 5th command is to change the tool?

I by no means am a master at ANYTHING. I believe however Cue Makers do not give themselves enough credit. In what other industry do the people have an idea, its not out there to buy so the Cuemaker makes it himself?

You forgot the rotation in C.
 
You forgot the rotation in C.

I thought A was the 4th axis?! I guess it depends on the machine.

Its been close to 30 years but I remember a bunch of the G cdes. the 0*s were rapid, feed and cutter direction, 40's were cutter comp, 50's work coord., 70s and 80s were drilling, tapping, and boring cucles, 90 abs & incr. Don't think they was anything over 100 but there might be now. Not sure how many I'd remember the exact code for though but thats what books are for :)

I was helping out a friend in his shop not long ago and was surprised how many things I remembered.... and forgot
 
You forgot the rotation in C.

Neil, the way all mine were set up Z was tool goes up or comes down, X and Y were were move forward move back move to one side move to other side. W was rotate up to 360 degrees.

I by no means am saying that is right, only saying thats how I was set up.

I have done many things wrong forever, just the other night two girls told me---------------oops wrong discusion forum.
 
Neil, the way all mine were set up Z was tool goes up or comes down, X and Y were were move forward move back move to one side move to other side. W was rotate up to 360 degrees.

I by no means am saying that is right, only saying thats how I was set up.

I have done many things wrong forever, just the other night two girls told me---------------oops wrong discusion forum.

Depends on the controller software you're using. My machines uses W for the rotational axis also.
 
I negotiating on one of these.
Will make squaring stock much easier:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU5nogTtNdc&feature=related
Haas has a g code that wraps around a cylinder.
In most businesses, there are specialist. Cuemakers
have to do it all.

Very nice.

Years ago I was making the hatch covers for the VSL system. They were part of a system that was mounted on ships for launching missiles. These covers were hard as hell, probably about like cutting Iconel. It was taking forever and we were tearing up carbide and ceramics. This company came in with inserts called Ceratip. I was working with one of their engineers and he told me to push the feedrate up to 60ipm. I thought the guy was crazy. Those tips blasted the metal off with NO coolant, just shot these blue hot chips all over the places. I used those tips a lot when I was there, my goto tooling when I could. I am not sure if you can cut aluminum but given the speed they could probably go I'd think the hard part would be holding the work down.
 
Thars all sweet stuff to see and the stories of what can be done are great.

I envy you guys for past present and future. Creating is simply mind boggeling.
 
Do you write it MANUALLY or plot it with gibbscam or mastercam?
I can't even imagine beyond A,X,Y and Z .:confused:
Hell, editnc even gets lost. :grin-square:

Gibbscam primarily,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I think Don told me that machine has its own programming platform. I couldn't even begin to imagine what it would take to program that engine block manually. Although pretty impressive, I would look at each section individually when programming it. Even then, I wonder how long I'd have to sit and think about it before actually starting.

More than likely they do it like my buddy does, import from Autocad into the CAM software to do the Posting. So the engineers would actually have a lot of the work done for you.

Work like the engine block in the video is programmed with solid models anymore,,,,,,,,,,autocad is pretty much useless for that in comparison to Pro E, Unigraphics, Solidworks, etc,,,,,,,,we can get some of the models from OEM (Boeing, McDonnell, Sikorsky, Bell), but most we make ourselves,,,,sometime by reverse engineering with our laser scanner/Faro Arm. The Toolpaths and Cutting Strategies are all created by us, in CNC Programming.

I thought A was the 4th axis?! I guess it depends on the machine.

Its been close to 30 years but I remember a bunch of the G cdes. the 0*s were rapid, feed and cutter direction, 40's were cutter comp, 50's work coord., 70s and 80s were drilling, tapping, and boring cucles, 90 abs & incr. Don't think they was anything over 100 but there might be now. Not sure how many I'd remember the exact code for though but thats what books are for :)

I was helping out a friend in his shop not long ago and was surprised how many things I remembered.... and forgot

Not much use for remembering codes for this type of programming honestly,,,,,,way too much code to do manual edits anyway. The Post processor writes all the code, based on cutting process established in the cam software. Also, when doing this type of work, we do not use work offsets, G54 etc,,,,,,,We use what we call dynamic work offset, which really means program the part exactly where it is within the work envelope of the machine on the machines pallet, pedestal, fixture, etc,,,,,,this way, no matter where the part rotates, tilts, slides, etc,,,,,the software and machine are in sync. All axis limits, tilt angles, Tilt fulcrum points, centers of rotation, etc. must be defined exactly in what is called an MDD file, or Machine description dialog file,,,,,,,so that if when posting, a process must exceed a physical tilt or stroke limit to complete, the post will output code to revert the part to it's opposite vector so that the machine can reach all of the cut. That's what causes all the extreme rotations and tilts. This machining is usually done in the G93 mode, which is Inverse Time Feedrates, instead of inches per minute.

Simple stuff,,,,,,,,,,
 
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