For BCA players -new BCAPL player category & womens team changes

ronhudson

ronhudson

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Got this yesterday from BCAPL

BCAPL New Policies for 2010 National 8-Ball Championships

Team Master Category Added:

The BCA Pool League is instituting a new player category for forming Open Teams at the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships called Team Master.

The reason for forming this new category is to eliminate the same people from forming all-star teams year after year.

All individuals who were on the rosters of the top 16 Men’s Open Teams and the top 4 Women’s Open Teams since 2005 are under this new designation effective at the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships.

A Team Master rating by an individual does not affect their rating as a singles player. If a player is rated as an Open player (and a Team Master) they are still eligible to participate in the Open Singles divisions.

The new requirements for forming an Open Team are as follows:
One Master is allowed on an Open Team
Two Team Masters are allowed on an Open Team
One Master and one Team Master are allowed on an Open Team.

Men’s Open Teams are still required to have 3 original members on the roster.

The list of Team Masters will be up on our website at www.playbca.com by Wednesday, July 8th, 2009.

Women’s Team Goes to 4 Players:

Women’s Open Teams and Women’s Master Teams will be 4 person teams for the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships. There are many leagues that do not have many women in the league. By changing the women’s teams to 4 players it will make it easier to form teams from their leagues. It should also increase the number of teams that participate.

Women’s Open Teams will race to 9.

Women’s Master Teams will race to 11.

CueSports International (CSI) is the parent company of the BCA Pool Leagues, The NCS and produces the U.S. Bar Table Championships and the Jay Swanson Memorial. CSI’s goal is to create and improve opportunities for all pool players. For more information about the BCA Pool League or CueSports International call 702-719-7665 or visit www.playbca.com
 
I was extremely happy to see that the BCAPL was doing something to help promote players to build the Masters Division. For many years now, there have been many teams full of Masters Level players that only played in the Team event as OPEN players. Ike Runnels team won the event the past 2 years. Many teams would change 2 or 3 players around and come back and finish in the top 5 year after year.

The numbers for the Masters Division have dropped year after year. I hope this is the first step to building a much stronger Masters Team Division.

The current format doesn't move any players that finish in the top so many teams. But all the singles events moved players every year.

Also, with teams of 4 women, I would expect the number of teams could grow by leaps and bounds. I know in many areas it's hard to put teams together to be able to compete in Vegas.

The only addition to this rule that I would have liked to see is making the individual players of the top 4 teams all Individual Masters. Baby steps.

Tap Tap Tap!
 
I dont see how the Team Master rule is any different or I am not understanding it.

I thought in years past, you could only have 2 of the same 5 players on an Open team if you finished in the top 16. How is the new rule any different from this? The only thing it stops is if you had 2 teams in your league in the past 5 years place in the top 16, inter mixing the players to form 2 different teams.

I'll have to think about it more to see if I think that this will create an increase in the Men's Master Team Division. At most, it might create just a handful of more teams which is not enough.

I agree that the women's rule should create more entries for the team events. Of course, some women might enter 5 person teams still and rotate in a player.
 
They are taking all players that have finished in the top 16 for the past 5 years. There were many teams that played in the same league system in large cities, where they would mix and match 2 players from one team with another team.

Take Ike's record for instance. He's been in the top 16 numerous times with various players. Now all of those players are Team Masters. Yes, they can have 2 of them on a team together, but will have to pull in additional players if they want to stay in the OPEN. Otherwise, they could form a full Masters Team and get in with the big boys.

I could see Kirkwood's team being in the same boat.

I think the whole idea is to make the OPEN what it should be, full of OPEN players. And build the MASTERS Division, which is a win-win for all. I know the 2nd my team makes the top 16, that we'll stay together and join in the Masters Division the following year.
 
Seems like this really affects teams that come from small leagues. With
three players needing to come from the same "league night" team it seems pretty difficult to have the same team or even a resemblance of it.
Of course I am a firm believer that the top teams dont play weekly anyway so all they will have to do is readjust players on their roster.
 
I think I finally understand. Eeeek. This is not a bad move, but it changes my team for next year. "We've Got the Runs" will have to split up probably somehow, I think. (yeah, that was our team name!)
 
While it negatively effects my girls team arrangement (we have 6 and sitting even one out is already tough!) I can understand the change and it seems logical as gathering girls for a team is always more difficult than boys.

I'm thrilled with the Team Master idea. It's great that players can no longer cheat the system and simply rearrange their team to continue competing in the Open division. I always saw that as being such a cop-out!

will they be providing some sort of list for who is a "team master" player?
 
ronhudson said:
Got this yesterday from BCAPL

BCAPL New Policies for 2010 National 8-Ball Championships

Team Master Category Added:

The BCA Pool League is instituting a new player category for forming Open Teams at the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships called Team Master.

The reason for forming this new category is to eliminate the same people from forming all-star teams year after year.

All individuals who were on the rosters of the top 16 Men’s Open Teams and the top 4 Women’s Open Teams since 2005 are under this new designation effective at the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships.

A Team Master rating by an individual does not affect their rating as a singles player. If a player is rated as an Open player (and a Team Master) they are still eligible to participate in the Open Singles divisions.

The new requirements for forming an Open Team are as follows:
One Master is allowed on an Open Team
Two Team Masters are allowed on an Open Team
One Master and one Team Master are allowed on an Open Team.

Men’s Open Teams are still required to have 3 original members on the roster.

The list of Team Masters will be up on our website at www.playbca.com by Wednesday, July 8th, 2009.

Women’s Team Goes to 4 Players:

Women’s Open Teams and Women’s Master Teams will be 4 person teams for the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships. There are many leagues that do not have many women in the league. By changing the women’s teams to 4 players it will make it easier to form teams from their leagues. It should also increase the number of teams that participate.

Women’s Open Teams will race to 9.

Women’s Master Teams will race to 11.

CueSports International (CSI) is the parent company of the BCA Pool Leagues, The NCS and produces the U.S. Bar Table Championships and the Jay Swanson Memorial. CSI’s goal is to create and improve opportunities for all pool players. For more information about the BCA Pool League or CueSports International call 702-719-7665 or visit www.playbca.com
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What if one of the Team Masters is now a Master Player?
 
Being a Master Player trumps being a Team Master. But you can still play in the OPEN with 1 Master Player and 1 Team Master.

The new requirements for forming an Open Team are as follows:
One Master is allowed on an Open Team
Two Team Masters are allowed on an Open Team
One Master and one Team Master are allowed on an Open Team.

The difference is that a Master cannot play in the OPEN for Singles, but a Team Master CAN.

The list of Team Masters will be up on the website at www.playbca.com by Wednesday, July 8th, 2009.

I imagine this list is going to be fairly large to start and I'm glad that they decided to take the past 5 years.

My only other question is: I know that a Master Player can become an OPEN player again if they don't cash for 3 years. Is there a similiar thing for Team Masters? Would they have to not cash in the OPEN Team for 3 years?
 
akaTrigger said:
What if one of the Team Masters is now a Master Player?
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You are allowed one master player, and one team master player on your team or two team master players.

The person will be considered one or the other.. not both.
 
Nice

akaTrigger said:
I think I finally understand. Eeeek. This is not a bad move, but it changes my team for next year. "We've Got the Runs" will have to split up probably somehow, I think. (yeah, that was our team name!)
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Nice name Trigger. Not sure I'd wanna wear team shirts with that on it though. HA HA!!!!!
 
satman said:
Nice name Trigger. Not sure I'd wanna wear team shirts with that on it though. HA HA!!!!!
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Well, we did!! I thought maybe in 2010 we could call ourselves, "We've got the Runs Again" but since the team will have to break up, we may have to come up with two separate awesome names. ;)

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http://www.melindaswindow.com/VegasMay2009/TeamFun/slides/100_0172.html
 
My fantasy football name, in one of my leagues, has been "Victorious Secret" for over 15 years. Not sure if it's taken in the women's BCA yet, but I'd be honored to let you use it. ;)
 
stuckart said:
My fantasy football name, in one of my leagues, has been "Victorious Secret" for over 15 years. Not sure if it's taken in the women's BCA yet, but I'd be honored to let you use it. ;)
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Ironically, that was our first team name!! WOW!!

But, another team had it already and the BCAPL told us we had to change ours (they submitted the team name first). So, we decided on "We've Got the Runs." LMAO.
 
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akaTrigger said:
Ironically, that was our first team name!! WOW!!

But, another team had it already and the BCAPL told us we had to change ours (they submitted the team name first). So, we decided on "We've Got the Runs." LMA.
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Whoa! That's pretty scary! I think this was back when you were stalking me. ;)

I'll see what I can come up with that still might be original.
 
Team Masters

akaTrigger said:
What if one of the Team Masters is now a Master Player?
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We were hoping to get the Team Master list up on our website by today, but do to some technical computer issues it will be Monday, July 13th before you are able to view the list. There are between 300 and 400 names on that list.

You will notice that there are individual Master players listed on the Team Master list. It seems redundant, but when and if a player is removed from the individual Master list they will remain on the Team Master list.

This policy will certainly not totally eliminate the problem of stacked teams but it is a step in the right direction. There are always new players coming along that we know nothing about and have never played league before.

The whole idea is to make the Open division fair for all players.

I am welcome to suggestions to help make it better.

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
bills@playcsipool.com
 
ronhudson said:
Got this yesterday from BCAPL

BCAPL New Policies for 2010 National 8-Ball Championships

Team Master Category Added:

The BCA Pool League is instituting a new player category for forming Open Teams at the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships called Team Master.

The reason for forming this new category is to eliminate the same people from forming all-star teams year after year.

All individuals who were on the rosters of the top 16 Men’s Open Teams and the top 4 Women’s Open Teams since 2005 are under this new designation effective at the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships.

A Team Master rating by an individual does not affect their rating as a singles player. If a player is rated as an Open player (and a Team Master) they are still eligible to participate in the Open Singles divisions.

The new requirements for forming an Open Team are as follows:
One Master is allowed on an Open Team
Two Team Masters are allowed on an Open Team
One Master and one Team Master are allowed on an Open Team.

Men’s Open Teams are still required to have 3 original members on the roster.

The list of Team Masters will be up on our website at www.playbca.com by Wednesday, July 8th, 2009.

Women’s Team Goes to 4 Players:

Women’s Open Teams and Women’s Master Teams will be 4 person teams for the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships. There are many leagues that do not have many women in the league. By changing the women’s teams to 4 players it will make it easier to form teams from their leagues. It should also increase the number of teams that participate.

Women’s Open Teams will race to 9.

Women’s Master Teams will race to 11.

CueSports International (CSI) is the parent company of the BCA Pool Leagues, The NCS and produces the U.S. Bar Table Championships and the Jay Swanson Memorial. CSI’s goal is to create and improve opportunities for all pool players. For more information about the BCA Pool League or CueSports International call 702-719-7665 or visit www.playbca.com
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We understand that in a few cases it may be difficult to form Women's teams in small leagues. However, the same problem exists with women forming stacked teams year after year. By going to 4 person teams it should increase the number of teams that are able to attend Nationals. Keep in mind that the women do not have to adhere to the 3 original players rule from their local league.

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
 
"Women’s Team Goes to 4 Players:

Women’s Open Teams and Women’s Master Teams will be 4 person teams for the 2010 BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships. There are many leagues that do not have many women in the league. By changing the women’s teams to 4 players it will make it easier to form teams from their leagues. It should also increase the number of teams that participate.

Women’s Open Teams will race to 9.

Women’s Master Teams will race to 11. "
Here's the BCA's League Policy page

Can someone explain how this will work? 4 women per team, each play the other team members once or until the match is won. So there is a possible 16 games total, yes?

But you need 9 games in the open, and 11 games in the masters, to win a match. What if the score is 8 to 8? Play the last round again? Ties 2-2? Ad infinitum...

This is not spelled out at www.playbca.com so I'm sort of left wondering... Are the people at the BCAPL really that bad at math?
 
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