For BCA players -new BCAPL player category & womens team changes

akaTrigger said:
Ironically, that was our first team name!! WOW!!

But, another team had it already and the BCAPL told us we had to change ours (they submitted the team name first). So, we decided on "We've Got the Runs." LMAO.
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You could use our old name, Champs with Cramps!

It's hard in our area to put together a women's team since I am the only master within 3 hours driving distance. And we only have a couple women good enough to play in the open with a chance to win. :frown:
 
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Women's teams

No, there is nothing wrong with our math. A race to 9 means that the first team to win 9 games (11 in the Masters division) wins the match. There could be 17 games, not 16. It simply means that there could be 1 game in the 5th round, which the home team would have the break. You just follow the score sheet, like always.

The women's score sheets will have 4 games per round. It's not that difficult.
 
Women's teams

Also, if a match gets to hill-hill (8-8), the 17th game will be a matchup of the first two players of the first round as the entire rotation has been completed. Teams might want to put their strongest players first as those same players would play the hill-hill game.

The Women's Master teams would possibly have several games that would have opponents playing that had already played each other.

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
 
Bill S said:
No, there is nothing wrong with our math. A race to 9 means that the first team to win 9 games (11 in the Masters division) wins the match. There could be 17 games, not 16. It simply means that there could be 1 game in the 5th round, which the home team would have the break. You just follow the score sheet, like always.

The women's score sheets will have 4 games per round. It's not that difficult.
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I guess I am assuming each would only play the other team once. You know.. like every other league except for 3 man leagues which play each person twice.
Of course this isn't stated anywhere I could find it, so it's just an assumption.

4 women X 4 women = 16. How do you get more than 16 games?

How do you get a 5th round?

First Round:
1a plays 1b
2a plays 2b
3a plays 3b
4a plays 4b

Second round:
1a plays 2b
2a plays 3b
3a plays 4b
4a plays 1b

Third round:
1a plays 3b
2a plays 4b
3a plays 1b
4a plays 2b

Fourth round:
1a plays 4b
2a plays 1b
3a plays 2b
4a plays 3b

Everyone has played everyone else at this point.. So now you start over again? Wow.. Just WOW. And in the masters, there may even be a 6th round, correct? 10-10 after 5 rounds? 4 matches per round X 5 rounds / 2? Need a 6th round to determine the winner.
I would have to guess if there was a 8-8 tie (10-10 in masters), you would go to a single game at a time play off... Wouldn't want to have two games going in case they tie again.. and again.. and again.
 
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akaTrigger said:
Good question.
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Yes, there is still one Master or Grand Master allowed. They must have qualified through league play and may not be in the top 64 of the Men's rankings or the top 32 in the WPBA rankings. The BCA points list will be one of the Men's lists we will look at as well as other ranking systems, such as the UPA.

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
 
Thanks................You know this has been a long time coming though!!! I think it is a good thing for the BCA.

One of the most difficult things for an open player is to compete in the singles open with ALL the master players hiding in there so they can stay on an open team. I think this will take that element out of the tourney all together. The open may not see the benefits of it for a couple of years, but the open team division will see it almost immediately.
There will no longer be any incentive to hide as an open player.

Time to play pool boys and girls!!!!!

Mike
 
Real Problem

The real problem with the masters team division is that for most of the players who graduated into masters it’s so tough to cash. Your team has to be so solid top to bottom. It discourages participation. Traveling to Vegas is expensive. Now compared to the open team divisions with high and deep payouts, teams and players feel they have a chance to make some expenses back not so with masters team event. We should be encouraging players to attend and compete………………

I think putting more players in masters is ok but not with a wide brush stroke and not with out having the same prize money as in open. There are obvious situations where players must be placed up. but I know master players who are very weak local masters, can’t beat many of the local national open players but by the grace of some luck and scared play made the top “million” % in open singles to play in masters. Going Back 5 years to find teams to make up team masters is also a very wide brush stroke. Some of them might deserve to be elevated. I know several who have played and never got back to the final 16 on any team or in singles got in the top 48 in those five years…………..
 
sharandrew said:
The real problem with the masters team division is that for most of the players who graduated into masters it’s so tough to cash. Your team has to be so solid top to bottom. It discourages participation. Traveling to Vegas is expensive. Now compared to the open team divisions with high and deep payouts, teams and players feel they have a chance to make some expenses back not so with masters team event. We should be encouraging players to attend and compete………………
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The real problem IS the difficulty of playing in the Masters. Team or individuals. Higher entry fees. Lower payouts. Less paying positions. For several years I finished in the top ten percent of the Masters event. Never even got close to breaking even. Figure the dollar per game in a race to seven. Multiply times the number of rounds to get to the top eight where you could break even. Last year I failed to make it to the big board in the Open. Still made more money than I did finishing in the top twenty four in the Masters. Go figure!

Perhaps spreading some of the money dedicated to the Open into the Masters event. Make it worthwhile for the better players. Some of them might even begin to play in the Masters again. If BCAPL does that, will the Open players still play? Do you go to Vegas in May with the thought of winning the Open? When I first played the Nationals about fifteen years ago, I did. Once I found how difficult it was, I went to have fun. Most of the people I know go to have fun. The money is secondary. In the Open that is! The Masters is another story.

Lyn
 
Get it right before its too late

I first started going to Vegas in 1990 with VNEA, BCA 1994 then played both starting in 1995 Played in at least 20-25 team. I loved to play. I also played on master teams 2-3 times over the 20 years. I have been on open 5 teams that did better then 16th place and twice the bottom end of master’s money in either association. I’ve played with the same basic core of players, mostly. I was made a master player in 2000 when my team won VNEA Open Division. I had to play singles in both BCA and VNEA and played 6 events over next 3 years never cashed. Only one player on that 2000 team has ever done well on a national stage. The rest of us are just mediocre by that standard. I have a good sense of what it takes to compete in Vegas. Going back 5 years does not gain a known players pool into masters. If this is the case to play with my peers/friends on teams in Vegas agian in the masters will not happen the way it is now. Put enough money in masters team pay deeper put a ceiling on open division top payout will all help. I have said years ago that legitimate master players Nationally recognized players ( like: Runnels and Kirkwood) should only play on masters team not on open teams. I have other ideas……………
 
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