For Extreme English And Deflection Freaks

Just to get the week started on an exciting note, I couldn't think of anything more appropriate than throwing in the great firestarter, tons of english and deflection. It just warms the cockles of my heart to see all of the Predatorites and deflection whackos going off like Chinese firecrackers over the mere mention of it's tremendous importance regarding the success or lack of success in this game.

Well...besides backhand english which eliminates the problem...here's another way to do it which I've also hammered out many times with little success to the cerebellum impaired that think you MUST use tip offset on every shot or you can't have CB control and you MUST be in total control of deflection from english or you'll miss.

Shawn Putnam has been on a veritable tear this year and he just chalked up another one this weekend. In the May issue of Billiards Digest, this is what was said:

In Putnam's story lies a microcosm of the way that many of the younger players develop. He possesed natural talent. He played well enough during his first nine years as a professional, winning a litany of regional events.

During that time, he played flashy, though, using ENGLISH whenever possible, and sometimes when it wasn't. Then Bryant, who is an APA instructor out of Houston, taught him to aim AT THE CENTER OF THE BALL and stop being such a fancy pants. "New players", Putnam says, "need to learn to crawl before they walk".

"Don't learn English before center ball. I WENT FROM NOTHING BUT ENGLISH TO USING NOTHING BUT CENTER BALL. Nine years before changing. It's too long of a wait, and IT COST ME A LOT OF MONEY. That's a big regret in my life right there."

Do you think he has any deflection worries using CENTER BALL? I don't!! Any deflection freaks on this forum think they can put a good ass whuppin' on Shawn Putnum any time soon? I don't!!

For all I know he may even use a Predator, and he might not. I have no idea. Either way it surely doesn't matter when you learn how to use center ball and work your way around the table with speed and angles. You can use ANY cue or shaft. But then again, you can still do that with backhand and not going to the EXTREME on shots with english, so who cares.
 
Center ball only is for wussies! Efren spins the ball on every shot so that means I should if I want to be as good as he is. I also have one of those new ultra low deflection shafts that are cored with a lead/iron alloy! It's amazing!
 
My loser side match go put on the main table in Hagerstown this weekend and Shawn was sitting there watching. It was a tight match. I missed a semi easy shot and was sort of cussing at myself when I did it. Shawn's remark to me was 'use center ball'. So I going to try to give an A effort at using center ball a lot more often. I figure that out of habit there has to be times that I'm using english that it isn't necessary.
 
Putnam, Schmutnam. Can he calculate the sine wave of the inverse collateral frequency modulation at .002mm after impact? Huh? HUH?!?!? I thought not! :p
 
ScottR said:
Putnam, Schmutnam. Can he calculate the sine wave of the inverse collateral frequency modulation at .002mm after impact? Huh? HUH?!?!? I thought not! :p

i'm sure he'd alleviate your wallet of any extra cash though........... ;)

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
i'm sure he'd alleviate your wallet of any extra cash though........... ;)

VAP
In the long run, the only type of calculation that really matters, huh?? :D
 
I bet Drivermaker pronates at the flex-point, too. All those scientific types do. :cool:
 
Paper, what paper?
I want one :p :D

I just may write one too.
That would be a doozy :p :D
 
Predator cues rock!!! Not only do they make you shoot better they are coming out with a new shaft called the Y shaft. Once you put it on your cue it shoots by itself!!! I mean its the greatest thing ever!!! Instead of 10 pie wedges this one has 77!! The only problem with them is you have to hook them up to your lap top!! ! They have the Austrialian taper and in order to do a dump shot with them you actually have to get out of your seat and use a hand as a bridge hand but other than that they are awesome!! So your giong to have to buy one if you dont already have one!! I can wait to get mine
 
drivermaker said:
Do you think he has any deflection worries using CENTER BALL? I don't!! Any deflection freaks on this forum think they can put a good ass whuppin' on Shawn Putnum any time soon? I don't!!

For all I know he may even use a Predator, and he might not. I have no idea. .

I think most Predator fans are also center ball fans. That would be very logical. And yes, it would make sense that Shawn uses a low squirt cue if he is such a centerball fan. So, I guess all Predator fans should agree with Shawn. That was your intent, right?

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
I think most Predator fans are also center ball fans.
Fred


Since when...all I ever see Predator fans write about is the tremendous amount of spin they can put on the ball. You don't do that with center ball.
I love the stories of how they can load it up with 3 tips of side, hit it at warp speed with no deflection and pocket everything in sight. Makes me want to go put my Predator back on a cue and try it all over again for another year.
Doesn't it do the same for you?
 
science = run-out

drivermaker said:
You must have been reading my latest paper about that. Glad I could help....

I didn't catch your paper...but I would be glad to review it for you.

In my neck of the woods we used to say," spin your ball...sleep in the street"; but now that we all understand the principals of squat and use the blackhand method with our low squat cue(s), we're all sleeping in the Monteleon...right?

Thank goodness for real, live, science. hip hip hurray.

Thank goodness I finally get the joke!
 
drivermaker said:
Since when...all I ever see Predator fans write about is the tremendous amount of spin they can put on the ball. You don't do that with center ball.
I love the stories of how they can load it up with 3 tips of side, hit it at warp speed with no deflection and pocket everything in sight. Makes me want to go put my Predator back on a cue and try it all over again for another year.
Doesn't it do the same for you?

Nah...makes we want to hit the road.
 
ok i'm scratching my head here.............

why would low deflection shaft users be fans of centerball hits?

i would think the oppossite that high deflection shaft users would be the fan of centerball hits.

unless you mean that the people who would invest their money in a low deflection shaft don't have a good grasp on deflection and such, and that since they aren't knowledgable in this, they tend to use center ball more, and need the lower deflection shaft to help them use sidespin.

think i just answered my own question :rolleyes:

VAP
 
HittMan said:
I didn't catch your paper...but I would be glad to review it for you.

In my neck of the woods we used to say," spin your ball...sleep in the street"; but now that we all understand the principals of squat and use the blackhand method with our low squat cue(s), we're all sleeping in the Monteleon...right?

Thank goodness for real, live, science. hip hip hurray.

Thank goodness I finally get the joke!

huh :confused:
 
HittMan said:
I didn't catch your paper...but I would be glad to review it for you.


I don't have an extra copy and I'm not sure whether I'll be getting it back any time soon. I'm sending it to Ron Shepard to read and I have a feeling he'll do the same with mine as I did to his........FLUUUUUUUSSSSSSSHHHHHH
 
vapoolplayer said:
ok i'm scratching my head here.............
why would low deflection shaft users be fans of centerball hits?
VAP

Because they (should) know that low deflection shafts are truly low deflection only when using sensible amount of english, i.e. as close to centerball as possible while getting desired spin. Especially true when shooting long shots.
 
vapoolplayer said:
ok i'm scratching my head here.............

why would low deflection shaft users be fans of centerball hits?

i would think the oppossite that high deflection shaft users would be the fan of centerball hits.

unless you mean that the people who would invest their money in a low deflection shaft don't have a good grasp on deflection and such, and that since they aren't knowledgable in this, they tend to use center ball more, and need the lower deflection shaft to help them use sidespin.

think i just answered my own question :rolleyes:

VAP
You got it. There's other reasons, but you hit the majority of it.

And the reason why Predator users say that they get tons of english is that the english can be seen since hopefully they're pocketing balls more often (and being less distracted). You can't really tell how much english you can get on a ball if you keep missing the pocket.

Fred <~~~ IMO
 
drivermaker said:
Since when...all I ever see Predator fans write about is the tremendous amount of spin they can put on the ball. You don't do that with center ball.
I love the stories of how they can load it up with 3 tips of side, hit it at warp speed with no deflection and pocket everything in sight. Makes me want to go put my Predator back on a cue and try it all over again for another year.
Doesn't it do the same for you?
I think my favorite one is when somebody gets excited about being able to play a straight in shot, with about 27 tips of side spin, make the ball and watch the cueball stop and spin in place, and say "bet you can't do that with your shaft"... :confused: :rolleyes:
I forgot, exactly what situation would require this? :confused: :p :D
Oh yeah, the straight in stop shot with 27 tips of spin... :rolleyes: :D
 
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