For Sale: BEM Kersenbrock.

ShaneS

ShaneS

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Hello everyone,

My friend has decided to sell his BEM Kersenbrock(?) plain-jane. The cue is in about 80% condition but is dead straight together and apart. The cue has 2 12.25mm that are the stiffest I have ever felt on a cue.

The reason for the question mark is because nobody is 100% sure that it is indeed a Kers. But, about 95% of pool collectors that have seen this cue in person said that it is most likely a Kersenbrock. I sent some pics to Laurie Franklin via email and she said that, going off pics alone, it could be an old Franklin, Martinez, or Kersenbrock.

But, anyways, the cue is up for sale. Throw a reasonable offer my way and it is yours. I'm not looking to get rich; I just need a new break cue.:D

Thanks,
-Shane

P.S. Here are the pics.
 
what does it weigh? and is it one shaft?

i guess when you say kershenbrock, you mean built by him, not by anyone else. just wondering how anybody(those who said it's a true dpk) can tell ???? it's plain and even david probably couldn't tell.
 
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For Sale: BEM Kersenbrock.

> Adam Orr told me a long time ago that one of the best ways of spotting a Kersenbrock was that they have a very large centerdrilled hole in the end of the joint pin,same as Southwest but much larger. The phenolic butt caps tend to be shorter as well. He also said the reason that the really old ones were so stiff was that he was something of a billiard player,and wanted something that performed well there as well as the pool table,and tapered them much like a long skinny Coke bottle. Wish I had the cash here,they really play sweet. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> Adam Orr told me a long time ago that one of the best ways of spotting a Kersenbrock was that they have a very large centerdrilled hole in the end of the joint pin,same as Southwest but much larger. The phenolic butt caps tend to be shorter as well. He also said the reason that the really old ones were so stiff was that he was something of a billiard player,and wanted something that performed well there as well as the pool table,and tapered them much like a long skinny Coke bottle. Wish I had the cash here,they really play sweet. Tommy D.
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i think many people know that, yet even laurie couldn't say for sure.
 
bruin70 said:
i think many people know that, yet even laurie couldn't say for sure.
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The only way I would pay DPK or JFSW $ would be if Q had COA from SW.

W/o its worth EM $:)
 
ribdoner said:
The only way I would pay DPK or JFSW $ would be if Q had COA from SW.

W/o its worth EM $:)
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"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P." - Good Moring Vietnam
 
Shane,

Based on your pics I would say it's either a Libra or a Martinez. Most likely a Libra. To me the slotted ring sets look somewhat thin to be either a SW or Kersenbrock.

Libra did do some cues with the brass SW style pin. I've actually had one and seen another. Both were quite similar to this cue. Check out pics of the rings on the Libras we have listed (www.cueaddicts.com/libra.htm) and also on Scot's website in the cue gallery (www.proficientbilliards.com).

PS - Libras play really SWEET, too !!!

Hope this helps.

Sean
 
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cueaddicts said:
Shane,

Based on your pics I would say it's either a Libra or a Martinez. Most likely a Libra. To me the slotted ring sets look somewhat thin to be either a SW or Kersenbrock.

Libra did do some cues with the brass SW style pin. I've actually had one and seen another. Both were quite similar to this cue. Check out pics of the rings on the Libras we have listed (www.cueaddicts.com/libra.htm) and also on Scot's website in the cue gallery (www.proficientbilliards.com).

PS - Libras play really SWEET, too !!!

Hope this helps.

Sean
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Sean, do all of the Libra cues have the ivory insert in the pin? I don't see it on this one. I've owned three Libra's, all had it. Just wondering. I think it is a real longshot that this is a DPK.
 
pharaoh68 said:
"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P." - Good Moring Vietnam
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ROTFLMFAO!!!!:D
 
pathman said:
Sean, do all of the Libra cues have the ivory insert in the pin? I don't see it on this one. I've owned three Libra's, all had it. Just wondering. I think it is a real longshot that this is a DPK.
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Mike,

If memory is correct the early ones did NOT have IV. in pin.

Taper of Butt is also factor---all LIBRA's I've seen had straight taper BUTT's.

DPK and SW will have compound taper.

Not sure about MARTINEZ.

Regards, A
 
pathman said:
Sean, do all of the Libra cues have the ivory insert in the pin? I don't see it on this one. I've owned three Libra's, all had it. Just wondering. I think it is a real longshot that this is a DPK.
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Nope, not all. The two I've seen with a brass 3/8-11 pin did not have the ivory dot. We've also encountered a few others with a 3/8-10, both stainless and brass, without the dot. They just had the tip of the pin filed or machined down and polished. I've heard the thing about the early vs the late ones, too, but one we had was the last cue out of their shop and I don't recall it even having the dot. McChesney and Wright use to sell most of their cues from what I understand...c. 1988-1990.

The majority of the ones you will see though have the stainless 3/8-10 pin with the small ivory dot on the tip like the ones featured on our site and Scot's photo gallery. "Majority" not meaning there's a lot of them....just percentage-wise. I doubt there is more than 150 or so Libras in existance. IMO they are one of the greatest made and hitting "unknown" cues of all time. I'll put the hit and feel of their cues up against anybody's.

Sean
 
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cueaddicts said:
Nope, not all. The two I've seen with a brass 3/8-11 pin did not have the ivory dot. We've also encountered a few others with a 3/8-10, both stainless and brass, without the dot. They just had the tip of the pin filed or machined down and polished. I've heard the thing about the early vs the late ones, too, but one we had was the last cue out of their shop and I don't recall it even having the dot. McChesney and Wright use to sell most of their cues from what I understand...c. 1988-1990.

The majority of the ones you will see though have the stainless 3/8-10 pin with the small ivory dot on the tip like the ones featured on our site and Scot's photo gallery. "Majority" not meaning there's a lot of them....just percentage-wise. I doubt there is more than 150 or so Libras in existance. IMO they are one of the greatest made and hitting "unknown" cues of all time. I'll put the hit and feel of their cues up against anybody's.

Sean
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also sean,,,didn't libra tend to copy a lot of styles and never really had one of their own? i recall them promoting their cues that way or jack what's his name telling me that,,,,around '94-5.
 
Hello again,

Thanks for everyone's input, especially Sean's. I think I'm going to have to agree with you that this cue is a Libra. It looks way too much like one for it not to be.

Thus, We've decided to send this cue into South West to have it authenticated. I would just feel really bad selling a cue as something that it might not actually be.

Take care, everyone.

-Shane S
 
i agree with ribdoner. at least with the two libras i've hit with. they taper straight to the butt,,,very noticeable. and dpk's original template was a coke bottle taper which someone has already mentioned. this is noticeable at the bottom half of the grip where it starts to fatten, like a slender bulge.
 
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So, anyone can tell more about Libra cues ? Blue book has only 2 lines of info that they were made 1988-90. What price range is a plain jane Libra cue nowadays ?
 
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