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amen!!!!!!!

I'd say you have a stalemate.

You have a buyer who doesn't trust the seller --- give his track record and normal recurring behavior.

You have a seller who...for no reason doesn't trust the buyer to give back a cue that he doesn't want and/or has no use for.

As a person who doesn't have a horse in this race--
--- I'd have to think that the only reasonable option is to use Escrow, and split the fees 50/50...allowing both of you to keep your losses at a minimum, and I still think the seller should pay for the return freight.

Now I know it shouldn't cost the buyer anything...but I think at this point he should cut his losses, before he gets stuck with a cue that he doesn't want.
You are dealing with a greedy person...who is apparently going to hold your money hostage until he makes sure that he doesn't loose a penny within the equation, even though the controversy is completely due to his negligence.

Not a very sound business tactic...but non the less, it what it is.

And I think all who read this post, should heed the writing on the wall.

Good Luck to both of you, I hope reasonable and rational though processes are deployed at all times so that everyone walks away as happy as reasonably can be expected.

This is just my 2 cents...
Happy Trails to all.
 
I'd say you have a stalemate.

You have a buyer who doesn't trust the seller --- give his track record and normal recurring behavior.

You have a seller who...for no reason doesn't trust the buyer to give back a cue that he doesn't want and/or has no use for.

As a person who doesn't have a horse in this race--
--- I'd have to think that the only reasonable option is to use Escrow, and split the fees 50/50...allowing both of you to keep your losses at a minimum, and I still think the seller should pay for the return freight.

Now I know it shouldn't cost the buyer anything...but I think at this point he should cut his losses, before he gets stuck with a cue that he doesn't want.
You are dealing with a greedy person...who is apparently going to hold your money hostage until he makes sure that he doesn't loose a penny within the equation, even though the controversy is completely due to his negligence.

Not a very sound business tactic...but non the less, it what it is.

And I think all who read this post, should heed the writing on the wall.

Good Luck to both of you, I hope reasonable and rational though processes are deployed at all times so that everyone walks away as happy as reasonably can be expected.

This is just my 2 cents...
Happy Trails to all.

Thanks for your comment again. Not a bad idea.

The seller gives me full refund and pay for return freight. I pay 50% of Escrow fees.
 
Thanks for your comment again. Not a bad idea.

The seller gives me full refund and pay for return freight. I pay 50% of Escrow fees.

I've never gotten envolved in one of the disputes before, I don't know why I'm doing it now. But, above mentioned solution seems more than generous given the circumstances that lead to this problem.

singernak, could you explain why this would not be a good solution to the problem.

Steven
 
I've never gotten envolved in one of the disputes before, I don't know why I'm doing it now. But, above mentioned solution seems more than generous given the circumstances that lead to this problem.

singernak, could you explain why this would not be a good solution to the problem.

Steven

Good point, Steven.

I want to know what his explanation is. It could be another good joke!:grin::grin:
 
this is a giant pile of BULSH! Look man... you obviously sold a cue (used or not) in a condition other that what was described. YOU are the one that needs to make this right. Telling the buyer that you dont trust HIM when YOU are the only one that so far looks like a lying douche. I dont care at all for this kind of behavior as it makes regular upstanding HONEST sellers/buyers reluctant and sceptical to do business here. DO THE RIGHT THING. or PISS OFF! We don't need the head ache! have a nice day...




(I hadn't had my cup of coffee this morning so I was a little on edge, still applies though)
 
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this is a giant pile of BULSH! Look man... you obviously sold a cue (used or not) in a condition other that what was described. YOU are the one that needs to make this right. Telling the buyer that you dont trust HIM when YOU are the only one that so far looks like a lying douche. I dont care at all for this kind of behavior as it makes regular upstanding HONEST sellers/buyers reluctant and sceptical to do business here. DO THE RIGHT THING. or PISS OFF! We don't need the head ache! have a nice day...

(I hadn't had my cup of coffee this morning so I was a little on edge, still applies though)



Why don't you let us know, what's really on your mind...

meanwhile... -----> crickets are chirping in the back ground....
 
Whats on my mind is simple, if he sends me the cue back i will refund him. nothing more needs to be said about escrow, or anything else.

I have enough feedback on this site, the fact that he has asked for a free shaft only would make me believe he thought i was a sucker and would give into giving him a free shaft.

I will wait his reply.
 
Ok... This should be very simple for someone at least capable of operating a computer....

Why in the world should the buyer trust YOU to honor your side of the return "arrangements" now, when it was you that misled from the beginning? You have admitted that the shafts were not as described and offered YOUR idea of a fair price for the "trouble". It would even be different if it was just the warped shaft as "not too bad" can mean different things to different people. However, the SIZE of the shaft should not be a point of contention. Either they are the size listed or not. If NOT then you misled the buyer by not describing the cue properly and should be willing to make it right. Were you just hoping he wouldn't check the shaft size or straightness? It's not like escrow is that expensive but I guess too expensive to repair your reputation (since your doing all the other deals)? I just don't get why the onus is on the buyer to negotiate his position when all he did is buy a cue based on your, albeit incorrect, description.

The only reason I care(don't know either party) is I was carefully considering pulling the trigger on this thing. I would be incredibly pissed off too. I do a little buying/ selling here and don't like to see people get yanged...
 
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Thanks for your response.

I am still living pretty good even giving some money to Chris. I do not know how it feels when a person has to keep telling lies...you know whom I am talking about.

It seems like Chris has problems with alot of buyers and not just you. Just red rep him. He used to be red and for some reason all of a sudden he is green again.
 
Whats on my mind is simple, if he sends me the cue back i will refund him. nothing more needs to be said about escrow, or anything else.

I have enough feedback on this site, the fact that he has asked for a free shaft only would make me believe he thought i was a sucker and would give into giving him a free shaft.

I will wait his reply.

Chris, you made another good joke. You do have enough NEGATIVE feedbacks to make me decide easily not to send you the cue back without using Escrow. You sold three cues in a month not as described and not stand behind your products. As a result, you have received three negative feedbacks within a month. That could be an AZ record. That is also a very good indication of what kind of seller you are.

My offer still stands. I pay 50% escrow fee if you refund me the full amount with return freight.

If you are still not going to use Escrow, give us an explanation. Many people here and I want to know.
 
Chris you were dishonest and misleading on the description if this cue and the man did not get what he paid for. He should not have to send you the cue before he gets his refund. It seems like you are the only dishonest one in this transaction. Send him his refund.
 
Embassy how did you pay him for the cue? If you used a credit card just refute the charge with your credit card compnay and they will give you the refund on your purchase. Thats the beauty of using a credit card.
 
In the meantime everyone give him a bad rep, so he can not make anymore shady deals with anyone.

I wouldn't be so fast to do that as it may effect the outcome in a bad way. I'd give him the chance to make right, and make right soon. Thereafter, I'd stop at nothing...

The quick and easy version is: either a bad guy did a bad thing, or an honest man made an honest mistake. The bad guy ain't gonna try too hard to make it right, the honest man will make it right no matter what.

And I'm not sure about escrow costs either, but just to see this thing finished acceptably to both parties, I'd middle-man for free. As in I'd charge nothing, but it better not cost me anything either (except a trip or two to the PO, and the short drive).
 
Embassy how did you pay him for the cue? If you used a credit card just refute the charge with your credit card compnay and they will give you the refund on your purchase. Thats the beauty of using a credit card.

Too bad. I sent him a cashiers check. Actually, this is the only bad deal I have experienced on AZ. I believe that most people in this community are very honest.
 
I have stated i am not paying nothing for an Escrow service this simply will not happen, if he sends me the cue back I will send him a refund for the cue, not sure why that is so hard to understand.

I have been a member of this site for over 5 years with no problems, it all happened when I started trying to help friends out here in Las Vegas which I will no longer sell any of my friends things.

I seem to get along well selling cloth, and Authentic Predator, Lucasi, and Mezz cues.

Chris
 
Yep, he's unreasonable...

I'll bet he's begging his other customers (or having his friends, or creating other accounts) to bump his rep...because itrader points have nothing to do with rep.
I think this because anyone who's reading these posts about his thievery would not condone his efforts.

And he's trying to run out the clock on his "one week ultimatum", so he's going to deny any reasonable option that is put before him, in order to lag time out and waste his "proverbial clock".

And, normally, returns should be handled as "quid pro quo"...thus the seller trusted the buyer preemptively and sent the money with belief, that he'd get the product he wanted. And it should reciprocate that for the return.

And why he won't agree to Escrow, well, there is no excuse other than greed, and his desire to screw you out of your money.

But then again, that's what you get when your dealing with a moron.

He's holding your money hostage, and he's hoping that it takes over a week from the date of his ultimatum, even though resolve hasn't been met.

Come On Chris, Do the right thing, and quit playing these BS games. We know your plight is based on greed and dishonesty. YOU are the one that CAN NOT be trusted.
 
I have said what I am going to say, I have made a fair offer and most people who sell things would do the same especially when your dealing with an overseas customer.

What would be my recourse if I sent him a refund and for some reason he never sent back the cue? I would have none so i refuse to take that risk and if that makes me a moron, i am sorry you feel that way.

I am done talking about this, my offer stands to refund him once the cue is back I'm my hands.
 
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