Forfeiting out of tournament

I actually, in this case, think it was a terrible thing to do by forfeiting with your son up next. If by chance the son were to end up winning, he would forever wonder did he really win or not. Forfeiting, just to help someone else win is just wrong.
Forfeiting because of a family matter, is totally understandable. Also, I had a friend forfeit awhile back at a local tournament when it was running long, and his semifinal match was going to start about one in the morning and they said they were going to do the final right after as they didn't want to stick around till the next morning to officiate it. he's in his 70's and just couldn't handle the prospect of possibly shooting till at least after 3 in the morning.
 
The only time is matters is if there is a calcutta and they went for a decent amount of money.....ive seen someone get banned from a tournament series until they paid someone back for the money someone spent in the calcutta because they went for $1500 and didnt show up for their matches lol
 
FranCrimi said:
You answered your own questions. If a player's spouse was in an accident and he had to leave in a hurry, no one would begrudge him forfeiting out. He entered with good intentions. Forfeiting to let another player win is a sportsmanship issue and is considered cheating.
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You missed the point though, that the sometimes ok/ sometimes not determination is no good coz it is too open to inconsistent application.
 
Black-Balled said:
You missed the point though, that the sometimes ok/ sometimes not determination is no good coz it is too open to inconsistent application.
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With sportsmanship issues, that's always the case, though. It's on a case-by-case basis, which is why it's important to have a tournament director who always looks out for what's right for the players, and rules accordingly. Forfeiting out to intentionally let a player win is unsportsmanlike behavior and should be penalized by the TD. Having to forfeit and leave because your spouse was in a car accident is not unsportsmanlike behavior, but rather a family emergency.
 
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FranCrimi said:
With sportsmanship issues, that's always the case, though. It's on a case-by-case basis, which is why it's important to have a tournament director who always looks out for what's right for the players, and rules accordingly. Forfeiting out to intentionally let a player win is unsportsmanlike behavior and should be penalized by the TD. Having to forfeit and leave because your spouse was in a car accident is not unsportsmanlike behavior, but rather a family emergency.
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What if somebody had to take a poop and didn't want to admit it?
 
Black-Balled said:
What if somebody had to take a poop and didn't want to admit it?
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I think you're being a spoiled brat with my good intentions in posting here. I'm a former President of the WPBA, a former touring pro, and have run many tournaments. If you want to mock somebody, you've got the wrong person. I've created many of the rules you use today. Go mock someone else if you're that desperate to mock. You won't succeed with me. You'll just look like a fool.
 
Black-Balled said:
What if somebody had to take a poop and didn't want to admit it?
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Reported. Real pool players can hold. Take this to a 1p tournament… To the readers … been there done that … only regret was not having something to read. I’m thinking there should be a timer in the bathroom.
 
penguin said:
Ernesto Dominguez always forfeits to his son, Oscar, every time they play each other in a tournament :oops:
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I know Ernesto and I assume they just don’t wish to put each other in the uncomfortable position of potentially beating the other.

At this point of their careers, Oscar would be the clear favorite. Regardless, I respect their decision, as it’s obvious neither of them wants to have to play each other in a tournament match, as the match winner would likely feel worse than the loser.

It’s too bad they don’t choose to alternate turns forfeiting to the other every time they are matched up in a tournament than for Dad to always have to take the fall, but that’s the kind of person and the kind of dad that Ernesto is.
 
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FranCrimi said:
I think you're being a spoiled brat with my good intentions in posting here. I'm a former President of the WPBA, a former touring pro, and have run many tournaments. If you want to mock somebody, you've got the wrong person. I've created many of the rules you use today. Go mock someone else if you're that desperate to mock. You won't succeed with me. You'll just look like a fool.
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Jokes on you. I'm already full of dumb

Dont be defensive. Our game needs people who will care for it and for us. Kudos and all that.

Your position on the forfeit is only successful because few care enough to speak about the potential for unfair application.

That potential is eliminated by requiring payment for entry and understanding participants can and will quit any time they wish.
 
FranCrimi said:
I'm sympathetic with a father not wanting to play his son, but you have to draw the line when other players become affected. Obviously, it was his intent to forfeit at whatever point he was going to encounter his son. Allowing someone to bend the rules like that hurts the other players and affects the integrity of the event.
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All you need to do is go with the idea that the son could have simply beat him legitimately, so there is no difference in the outcome, only the possible outcome. It's like the magic rack argument that people say it changes the path of a ball sometimes. Yes it does, but if you think of it as just another random ball roll on the table it's the same as if that ball ended up there without the rack being in the way. Before you break, the balls can be in any number of random positions. So where they finally end up after the break is as random as before the break.
 
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