Forward weighted cue.

[Cicerone88]

IF you so hit the ball. This argument never gets clarified. Yes the hit is a hit is a hit. Getting it there consistently and reliably is the players domain.

 

[Paul_#_]

I don’t think anyone has a true forward weighted cue.

💥New type of cue w. 10-ounce shaft & 10-ounce butt VS typical cues' 4-ounce shaft & 16-ounce butt. What the devil❓

Some players like a cue with more weight toward the tip than the back. Get a real forward-weighted cue from Black Blade Cues that nearly triples shaft weight and drops butt weight by a third. Options allow a less forward-weighted cue with...

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Black Blade Cues nearly triple shaft weight and drops butt weight by a third from 'normal' cues.

Options allow a forward-weighted cue with shafts available in weights 6, 7 , 8, 9, 10, and 11 ounces AND butts at 10, 11, and 12 ounces.

They used to sell one with a 9 ounce butt.

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[garczar]

Depends on how you hold the cue and how you go into the ball ie stroke. Most players are all about their technical defaults.

no it doesn't. spin is determined by tip offset. only. the weighting/bp/grip has no actual effect on how much spin is generated. this is nothing but another pool 'old wives tale'. a heavier/lighter or fwd/rear BP cue will not generate any more spin, at any speed. Easy to confuse 'feel vs. real', the amount of english you can/can't generate is not dictated by the BP. As for grip i've watched 3c players who hold the cue like a hammer and still spin the shit out of those bigass balls. Why? The go WAY out there without miscuing. Tip offset is why.

 

[straightline]

no it doesn't. spin is determined by tip offset. only. the weighting/bp/grip has no actual effect on how much spin is generated. this is nothing but another pool 'old wives tale'. a heavier/lighter or fwd/rear BP cue will not generate any more spin, at any speed. Easy to confuse 'feel vs. real', the amount of english you can/can't generate is not dictated by the BP. As for grip i've watched 3c players who hold the cue like a hammer and still spin the shit out of those bigass balls. Why? The go WAY out there without miscuing. Tip offset is why.

The net effect of what I said is, the feel is how the individual remembers the shot and is able to thusly reproduce it. Could be the arc of the cue or a tiny flinch or anything else. If this player likes to whip his cue forward with a feather touch, he might get front end lift - which, more weight in front can fix.

 

[dquarasr]

💥New type of cue w. 10-ounce shaft & 10-ounce butt VS typical cues' 4-ounce shaft & 16-ounce butt. What the devil❓

Some players like a cue with more weight toward the tip than the back. Get a real forward-weighted cue from Black Blade Cues that nearly triples shaft weight and drops butt weight by a third. Options allow a less forward-weighted cue with...

forums.azbilliards.com

Black Blade Cues nearly triple shaft weight and drops butt weight by a third from 'normal' cues.

Options allow a forward-weighted cue with shafts available in weights 6, 7 , 8, 9, 10, and 11 ounces AND butts at 10, 11, and 12 ounces.

They used to sell one with a 9 ounce butt.

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Well, then, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

 

[Fitzz47]

Update. I took my Black ice break cue 6oz. And a 15.5 oz. Butt. Put a techno dud tip on the break cue. And tried playing with it.
Didn’t like it at all.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Forward weighted cues are good for touch and spinning the ball at low speed. This helps with finesse shots, allowing for better cue ball control in tight spaces. Good for games like one pocket or straight pool.

Huh??? Forward weighting has ZERO effect on amount of spin you can generate. Were do people hear this shit???

Depends on how you hold the cue and how you go into the ball ie stroke. Most players are all about their technical defaults.

As Gar said, the only thing that affects spin is where you hit the CB.

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

As Gar said, the only thing that affects spin is where you hit the CB.

pj
chgo

Its unbelievable some of the old beliefs/ideas that hang on for years. This topic has been covered 'TO DEATH' over the years. You'd think they'd get it by now. Guess not. Its VERY possible players 'feel' that this happens but it doesn't in reality. BP has no effect on spin at any cue speed.

 

[Cicerone88]

Its unbelievable some of the old beliefs/ideas that hang on for years. This topic has been covered 'TO DEATH' over the years. You'd think they'd get it by now. Guess not. Its VERY possible players 'feel' that this happens but it doesn't in reality. BP has no effect on spin at any cue speed.

I’m not arguing how much spin is produced, i’m talking about how the cue hits the ball. I think it’s easier to deliver a better cue and decrease your chances of deceleration on soft shots. Helps with cueing off the rail too. It’s subjective of course, but it makes sense why myself and others like that little extra bit of weight.

When Earl started using the 6” extension everyone thought it was just another one of his antics. Then Shane and Shaw started using it and people started to take it seriously. That changes the balance point and the weight of the cue quite a bit and has it’s own set of advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Paul_#_]

Purpose-built joint weights are available if you want to experiment See link below. The link is for 0.35 oz weight. I have one @ 0.5 oz (14g).

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[straightline]

As Gar said, the only thing that affects spin is where you hit the CB.

pj
chgo

And I added, the player (and all his feelings about the equipment) has to produce that hit.

 

[Paul_#_]

Anyone use a forward weighted shaft?
Like a Blackblade cue. Would like to hear a review on one

An AZer liked the cues:

I used the first version of the liquid weight cue, it had a very interesting but not what I would call a bad hit. Actually enjoyed playing with it but decided not to buy one even though it was not expensive at all.

Hang-the-9 posted in post https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/have-you-tried-cues-“black-blade”-“liquid-weight”-—-cues-that-use-a-movable-weight-system.564087/

Update. I took my Black ice break cue 6oz. And a 15.5 oz. Butt. Put a techno dud tip on the break cue. And tried playing with it.
Didn’t like it at all.

Are you referring to a Black Blade break cue like that below?

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[garczar]

I’m not arguing how much spin is produced, i’m talking about how the cue hits the ball. I think it’s easier to deliver a better cue and decrease your chances of deceleration on soft shots. Helps with cueing off the rail too. It’s subjective of course, but it makes sense why myself and others like that little extra bit of weight.

When Earl started using the 6” extension everyone thought it was just another one of his antics. Then Shane and Shaw started using it and people started to take it seriously. That changes the balance point and the weight of the cue quite a bit and has it’s own set of advantages and disadvantages.

'Subjective' is the key word here. Until someone comes with 'real' data that BP changes 'how the cue hits the ball' i'm not going for it. BP is like cue weight, its what feels good to you. Any actual changes to cue ball reactions is debatable at best.

 

[Maniac]

Are you referring to a Black Blade break cue like that below?

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No, he is referring to the Pechauer Black Ice break shaft here: https://pechauer.com/product/black-ice-break-shaft/