Forward Weighted Cues
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Have you tried cues “Black Blade” “Liquid Weight” — cues that use a movable-weight system?
These are cues with a shaft that contains a liquid-filled tube that has a weight that moves between two magnets. It has been discussed here but few posters had actually tried one. AZers figured the moving weights would put more forward force on...
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No that's not what they are anymore. The Black Blade Carbon cues do not have moving weight. They are just forward weighted.. The shaft is heavy... like 8oz and the butt is light like 11oz. I am involved with the company but. .... just wanted to know what other People thought??
While I like my Schons with the balance points they have at apx 19" on average, not really sure I would like much more than that. I do have a Black Ice break shaft that is really heavy, I think about 6 oz. Works fine as a break shaft, but I know for sure for me personally I would never want that balance in a playing cue. Each their own I guess.
I did get a Jacoby a while back and with some playing around with it, I have the balance at 18 5/8" with the cue weighing the overall same as my Schon that balances at 19". Not much difference, but the more I play with it, I think I like the slightly more rear balance more. Time will tell. If I only used one cue, I don't think it would really matter as long as it was close to what you liked. I for sure wouldn't want a cue with a balance of 20" or more. That's just me, who knows what someone else likes.
I did get a Jacoby a while back and with some playing around with it, I have the balance at 18 5/8" with the cue weighing the overall same as my Schon that balances at 19". Not much difference, but the more I play with it, I think I like the slightly more rear balance more. Time will tell. If I only used one cue, I don't think it would really matter as long as it was close to what you liked. I for sure wouldn't want a cue with a balance of 20" or more. That's just me, who knows what someone else likes.
Yep, it's always personal preference. the Black Blade Carbon cues are 61" long and the balance point is 24 to 30 inches up from the butt end. Most long term players are too engrained in what they have to change... but new or progressive players like the balance forward. Also give more weight on the bridge hand which creates easier control.
A month or two ago I was interested in a possible purchase. A cue with two shafts, one to work with weight forward and one to just be as light as possible.
My current cue is sixty inches long and balances 21" from the butt. While everyone notices it is light, few notice it is long. Nobody notices the balance point since it is the same distance from the tip as the very common 19" from the butt with a fifty-eight inch cue.
About black blade: These people offer a sixty day money back guarantee, if you just look at the box. I think that is void if you open the box, heaven knows if you hit a ball with the cue. Doesn't really matter anyway when the company can just ignore you for sixty days.
Since this thread is thinly veiled marketing I think mr farr is coming perilously close to spamming the main forum. He is a new member with three posts. There are three posts of his in this thread.
Perhaps I am being overly hasty, perhaps I get annoyed when somebody tries to play the whole forum for saps. I hope he at least has some good pool stories to tell.
Hu
My current cue is sixty inches long and balances 21" from the butt. While everyone notices it is light, few notice it is long. Nobody notices the balance point since it is the same distance from the tip as the very common 19" from the butt with a fifty-eight inch cue.
About black blade: These people offer a sixty day money back guarantee, if you just look at the box. I think that is void if you open the box, heaven knows if you hit a ball with the cue. Doesn't really matter anyway when the company can just ignore you for sixty days.
Since this thread is thinly veiled marketing I think mr farr is coming perilously close to spamming the main forum. He is a new member with three posts. There are three posts of his in this thread.
Perhaps I am being overly hasty, perhaps I get annoyed when somebody tries to play the whole forum for saps. I hope he at least has some good pool stories to tell.
Hu
Hu,
I am sorry if you and a bad experience. If you read my second post I said that "I am involved with the company... but just wanted to know what other people thought". I am not trying to hid or spam anyone. I am genuinely interested in peoples thoughts on the forward weighted cue.
Did you want to return a cue you bought? Our 60 days includes trying the cue with normal wear. We have never refused a money back return in which the cue was in ok shape. There has to be some time frame for the return....we cant just say return it anytime and sure.....we would have people buying cues playing for months and returning for no reason. By the way we do NOT box our cues.
Again, I am sorry if you had a bad experience with Black Blade Carbon. I am the General Manager and I did admit I was involved with the company in my second post. Just trying to get a feel for what people think of the forward weighting concept.
Thanks for your patience.
Glen
I am sorry if you and a bad experience. If you read my second post I said that "I am involved with the company... but just wanted to know what other people thought". I am not trying to hid or spam anyone. I am genuinely interested in peoples thoughts on the forward weighted cue.
Did you want to return a cue you bought? Our 60 days includes trying the cue with normal wear. We have never refused a money back return in which the cue was in ok shape. There has to be some time frame for the return....we cant just say return it anytime and sure.....we would have people buying cues playing for months and returning for no reason. By the way we do NOT box our cues.
Again, I am sorry if you had a bad experience with Black Blade Carbon. I am the General Manager and I did admit I was involved with the company in my second post. Just trying to get a feel for what people think of the forward weighting concept.
Thanks for your patience.
Glen
Glen, I read over your site pretty thoroughly trying to find information before I asked for more by message. I found information, some of the silly kind. What is said in your post above is reasonable other than the faux pas of not stating immediately you were involved with the company.
I first worked a bit with carbon fiber design back in 1988. Not much in between but I believe carbon fiber in general has tremendous potential in pool and cue sports. I like wood but I had a 70% cull rate which I didn't like! I know some CF manufacturers had pretty high cue blank cull rates but that was before a lot of end user work had been put into them, unlike wood.
I will ask you a question here to hopefully get an answer. I have used a 12 ounce wooden snooker cue to play pool with. Obviously a wand not a sledgehammer but it was the finest finesse stick I ever shot with.
Might have to add weight later for playability but what weight can you meet going as light as practical with shaft and butt? Seems like 12-14 ounces might be obtainable, what spurred my interest to begin with.
Hu
I like this thread and it appears helpful. Glen is not trying to sneak anything past us. Remember, too, the AZ crowd is very sensitive to being put upon and is not shy in exposing scams, poor buys, poor thinking, and mistakes. Even when a poster is not trying to fool anyone, inevitably three or four ever-alert and sensitive AZers will still slander and brutalize the poor fellow. If Glen wants to speak to the AZ crowd, wow! Let him.
More than welcome to speak to the crowd, not that I have any sayso anyway. I didn't care for him not being straightforward from the jump.
Once we knew he was doing a little marketing for his company, well then it is up to him and Mike. Poor taste to try to make a profit here without an arrangement with Mike or at least a gold membership but Mike has never insisted on either to the best of my knowledge.
I am happy to have a factory rep on the board once he identifies himself as such. Still waiting for answers to my questions.
Hu
I am happy you are here to answer some questions I have.
1. Although you wrote that your cues do not have a moving-weight system, your website indicates you do. For example, your website refers to the cues as being able to put more oomph into a hit of the cue stick. Isn’t that referring to the shock-absorbing system?
. Click on the “About” link at the Black Blade website for the company’s reference to the movable weight system. It notes:
To take advantage of our FWD weight technology (patent pending) you need a very light cue butt with a forward weighted cue shaft.
Further down on the page, the website explains benefits of the patent-pending technology:
Feeling of more power
2.8 to 3.7 % more ft/lbs of energy at same stroke speed, which produces a very solid cue ball strike, and on break shots more ball dispersion.
And then notes the system allows for “great stroke feel”.
Granted, these references to the movable-weight system are vague but they also only make sense if the cues employ the patent-pending, movable-weight system.
Correct?
2. Months ago, I looked at another website of BlackBlade: https://www.cuetrader.org/ it then explained the movable-weight system in its Black Blade AND the earlier Liquid Weight cues. Videos there described the newest and the older cues. A link at the cuetrader website there takes you back to the Black Blade website and the cues there.
Thanks.
1. Although you wrote that your cues do not have a moving-weight system, your website indicates you do. For example, your website refers to the cues as being able to put more oomph into a hit of the cue stick. Isn’t that referring to the shock-absorbing system?
. Click on the “About” link at the Black Blade website for the company’s reference to the movable weight system. It notes:
To take advantage of our FWD weight technology (patent pending) you need a very light cue butt with a forward weighted cue shaft.
Further down on the page, the website explains benefits of the patent-pending technology:
Feeling of more power
2.8 to 3.7 % more ft/lbs of energy at same stroke speed, which produces a very solid cue ball strike, and on break shots more ball dispersion.
And then notes the system allows for “great stroke feel”.
Granted, these references to the movable-weight system are vague but they also only make sense if the cues employ the patent-pending, movable-weight system.
Correct?
2. Months ago, I looked at another website of BlackBlade: https://www.cuetrader.org/ it then explained the movable-weight system in its Black Blade AND the earlier Liquid Weight cues. Videos there described the newest and the older cues. A link at the cuetrader website there takes you back to the Black Blade website and the cues there.
Thanks.
Thanks Hu. We have made full cues as light as 11oz and as heavy as 32oz. These were special orders so not normal cost. But can probably get a down to 10oz if you do not mind the hollow sound. lol
We no longer make the moving weight system. It was a great training tool but hard to actually play a match with. Our current forward weight cues do give a “FEELING” of more power. it’s kind of like a hammer. The hammer weighs the same no matter where you hold it. But if you hold it near the mallet it feels like less power. If the weight is at the end and you hold it away from the mallet it feels more powerful. However the formula e=mc2 will always create the same power given the same mass and force.
we do have patents on the moving weight system and we have new patent applications for the forward weight system. The www.cuetrader.org site will be ending soon. Our new site www.blackbladecarbon.com only references the FWD technology.
i hope this helps
Glen
We do advertise on AZ Billiards, our banner ad clicks by at the top of the page from time to time. I really was not trying to sell anything in this forum. My query initially was to find out if people had seen or played with the FWD cues. Just wanting to get honest feedback about what is thought about the product and the technology. I am very sorry I did not disclaim initially I am with the company.
No problem! Needless to say I haven't noticed the ad's. Been here almost twenty years, there are others that have been here considerably longer. During that time the board has been preyed on a few times. Makes us a little gunshy sometimes.
Covid got my local pool halls. Somebody was opening, remodeling, supposed to open in a day or two, disappeared. When I get a place to play I may contact you about the lightweight project. If you can get down to ten ounces with around a ten mm tip that should give a little room for sound deadening. Hollow sounds pretty awful! After twenty years away from pool I came back after totally missing the emergence of hard tips. Sounded like almost everyone in the hall miscuing!
Hu