Frankie Hernandez banned from blaze tour

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Someone over on Billiards Digest CCB Board is stating the Frankie Hernandez has been banned from the blaze tour for the rest of the year after an arguement with the tournament director. according to that poster over there they had to call the Parsippiny Police Dept to help out. Something to do with the T.D. changing the chart so that Frankie would have to play Mike Davis in the 2nd round. After the arguing the T.D. changed the chart back......please go read the article over there in case i left something out........................mike
 
cueball1950 said:
Someone over on Billiards Digest CCB Board is stating the Frankie Hernandez has been banned from the blaze tour for the rest of the year after an arguement with the tournament director. according to that poster over there they had to call the Parsippiny Police Dept to help out. Something to do with the T.D. changing the chart so that Frankie would have to play Mike Davis in the 2nd round. After the arguing the T.D. changed the chart back......please go read the article over there in case i left something out........................mike
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I've been checking police freqs for an hour, in the N.J. area, I'm coming up dry.

Still digging.
 
Frankie did get in an argument with Jose Burgos, the tournament director, and Jose did threaten to call the police. I was in the middle of a game, and didn't pay too much attention, but voices were raised for a short while. I know that he was thrown out of that particular tournament, but I'm not sure whether Jose will let him back in for the remainder of the year's tour stops.
 
cueball1950 said:
Someone over on Billiards Digest CCB Board is stating the Frankie Hernandez has been banned from the blaze tour for the rest of the year after an arguement with the tournament director. according to that poster over there they had to call the Parsippiny Police Dept to help out. Something to do with the T.D. changing the chart so that Frankie would have to play Mike Davis in the 2nd round. After the arguing the T.D. changed the chart back......please go read the article over there in case i left something out........................mike
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Can you please copy/ paste here? I can't get there from here (I get there another way, lalalalalaaa)
 
To me ...

The luck of the draw is just that, and you don't
go changing people's positions because you don't
like the way it turned out.
 
Try this

I tried to copy it:


11/14/05
Sunday November 13, 2005-
Something is not right in Blaze 9-Ball Tour.
After a heated argument about changing the draw Blaze 9-Ball Tour ejected Frankie Hernandez with the aid of the Parrsippany Police. Apparently the draw was manipulated to force Mr. Hernandez to play Mr. Mike Davis in the second round. Mr. Henandez complained and the draw was changed back. Pool has never been a clean game, but this is intolerable. Are we ready for the IPT?

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tour [re: Lockwood]
11/14/05 01:40 PM (142.94.4.39)
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I would hope he got his money back.

J

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tour [re: supergreenman]
11/14/05 01:47 PM (66.65.116.211)
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After two wins they gave him his entry fee. But he is not allowed to play in the 5,000 skins game or 10,000 season finals.

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tour [re: Lockwood]
11/14/05 01:48 PM (199.173.225.2)
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If the draw was changed back then why did Frankie need to be ejected?

I Shoot Like A Girl.
Damn Good.
Ah f*&%it!

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tour [re: 9 Ball Girl]
11/14/05 01:59 PM (66.65.116.211)
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Good question

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou [re: Lockwood]
11/14/05 03:06 PM (68.173.214.133)
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Lockwood, could you please be more specific about what happened?

You say the draw was changed to make Frankie play Mike in the 2nd round. When was it changed? Before the tournament began? If it was not BEFORE the tournament, there must be something left out of the story. You can't write out a whole draw, play a whole first round, and then cross out two names and shift their positions. There would be a riot.

You also wrote after two wins they gave Frankie his money back. But if this happened FOR round two, then Frankie would have only played one match so far.

Could it have been a situation where Mike maybe showed up late, and assumed one of the bye positions? Frankie would have thought he was playing Player A (who got a bye in the first round), but then Mike came late, beat player A, and then was slated to play Frankie (rather than maybe a weaker Player A)? I don't know, I'm just thinking of possible explanations. And I'm not saying that would make things right, either. I'm just curious.

Not trying to be argumentative or difficult, Lockwood... just trying to get to the bottom of this. I can't believe they simply crossed out names and switched positions. That's just too ludicrous.

- Steve

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou [re: Steve Lipsky]
11/14/05 03:44 PM (67.187.83.147)
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Steve makes sense. Something had to happen that we are now aware of. I also would like to hear "the rest of the story"....randyg

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou [re: Steve Lipsky]
11/14/05 04:12 PM (68.45.108.169)
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Steve,

I can't believe a TD would back out a bye after play has started for a player showing up late.

That's just wrong.

Barbara

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou [re: Barbara]
11/14/05 04:19 PM (142.94.4.39)
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Mr. Hernandez must have really been hot over something to have had to have been removed by the police.

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Re: Finally,some body had the balls working [re: Lockwood]
11/14/05 04:33 PM (207.200.116.137)
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Whether it is fair or not it is finally done.Does any one remeber what happened more than 15 years ago to a bully in a small town in the state of Missouri?
I am glad that finally some one tackled this guy and this should have been done long time ago.

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Good riddence! new [re: Vagabond]
11/14/05 07:53 PM (151.197.116.119)
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I don't know the specifics of this altercation because I was not there. But, I play out of Drexeline Billiards and have been there for every Blaze event this year and last. I have seen Frankie play in our room at least 6 times. EVERY SINGLE TIME, he has gotten into a heated argument with either another player or the tournament director. The arguments usually seem to be over the racking of the balls. This only happens with Frankie. The other players are very civil, but he goes off the deep end. As angry as he gets, and as big as he is, I wouldn't want him around me or anyone else if his anger turned to violence. Obviously the people at this latest altercation felt the same way about their safety if they used the police to remove him. I am glad he has been removed from the tour. I'm sure there will be many posters who will come on and say the same.

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tour new [re: 9 Ball Girl]
11/15/05 01:51 AM (24.184.251.90)
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Quote 9 Ball Girl: If the draw was changed back then why did Frankie need to be ejected?




you dont know Frankie then.....he dont let stuff like that slide.....they aint ready for Frankie out there lol

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Re: Good riddence! new [re: iusedtoberich]
11/15/05 07:53 AM (207.200.116.137)
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I heard 10 years ago that after his close friend was shot to death he has been acting as a tough guy.


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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou new [re: Barbara]
11/15/05 08:02 AM (68.173.214.133)
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Hi Barabara. I'm not saying that would have made the situation right. I'm just looking for a more plausible explanation of what happened. Certainly switching players' names once play has started is much more egregious than instating a late player in a bye position.

Both are wrong, of course. But one is much worse .

Hope all is well,
Steve

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou new [re: Steve Lipsky]
11/15/05 08:14 AM (66.65.116.211)
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They changed the draw before the tournament started. It was on the computer with Frankie in one slot. Someone moved Frankie. Frankie complained and they moved him back. Frankie played two matches and then Frankie and Jose had words outside Jose then walked back into the room saying that Frankie has been ejected and if he comes back into the room someone should call the cops.

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou new [re: Steve Lipsky]
11/15/05 08:26 AM (66.65.116.211)
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There was no bye situation or late player. They were trying to help one player and hurt another. The TD admited that Frankie was moved at first because they didn't two pros to play each other in the first round.The TD explained that this was a mistake. Frankie knew that this was not a mistake, but a cold blooded act.

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Re: Good riddence! new [re: iusedtoberich]
11/15/05 08:40 AM (66.65.116.211)
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There was never a threat of violence. This is America. Everyone has rights. Even those we don't like.

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Re: Frankie Hernandez banned from Blaze 9-Ball Tou new [re: Lockwood]
11/15/05 08:43 AM (68.173.214.133)
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Thanks for the additional information. Wow, that's pretty bad. I've never played a Blaze tour, and now I'm not sure I ever will.

Thanks for clarifying.

- Steve
 
Frankie Hernandez here to Clear the Air on Blaze Fixed-Draw Tour

Well let me start out by saying i was robbed bye Jose Burgos and his phony blaze 9 ball tour. I went to Comet billiards on Sunday for the 9 ball event. and saw the laptop computer that Jose uses for the draw by itself, I went over with Jonathan Smith to look at the draw and I saw I was playing trick shot champion Steve Lilis from New
Jersey in the first round. I went to practice as the matches were called they called out Frankie Hernandez and Carmen Lombardo I said wait a minute that's wrong!!! So I went to the tournament desk and told Jose I was playing Steve Lilis not Carmen how was I switched? and his answer was I switched you I dont want two pro's playing each other first round. So my question was how come you didn't change me when i played Santos Sanbajon first round two tournaments ago? He said there were enough pro's there and I am the tornament director and I do what ever I want. I said what kind of nonsence excuse was that? They moved me so i could play Mike
Davis second round when I complained they moved me back. Every player that was there saw them fix the draw. I played two matches and went outside where I ran into Jose Burgos he said to me why are you dogging my tour? I said why are you fixing the draw? Then he said here's your money back I am disqualifying you. Then he went inside and told a worker to call the police that he wanted me off the property. The police came and the manager told the police I did nothing wrong I didn't have to leave. Jose disqualifyed me because I caught them fixing the draw and exposed his tour. He even put a very attractive female player in the tournament for free and set it up so he can play her first round. Now you tell me is that fixing the draw? I noticed every tournament I had a world class player first or second round. I was a few hundred points behind his friend Matt Krah for player of the year which earns you a free 5000 thousand dollar spot in the skins tournament. So they were setting up the draw so Matt could have easy matches and I could have tough matches where I can have a chance to lose early. By Jose disqualifying me on Sunday garanteed Matt the free entry to the skins game. Jose has a players auction where he buys players with his fixed draw. When all was said and done Sunday the police apoligized to me in front of about 10 people.Even the manager of Comet Billiards said Jose was dead wrong and he would talk to the owner about not hosting another one of Jose's fixed tournaments. and I say anyone who plays or host one of Jose's fixed draw events should have there head examined. This casts a shadow of doubt on all the tournaments has Jose has run in the past, including the Big Apple last year where there was $6,600 cut out of the prize fund. Which many players noticed and complained about. What Jose has done is put a dark cloud over our sport which is begining to see the light of day with the upcoming IPT Tour.
Truly,
Frankie Hernandez
 
Before Frankie came on here, I could tell that people were already starting to assume negative things about him. What he said makes perfect sense, and he explained that they repeatedly fix his draw to put him at a disadvantage, which explains his arguments in the past with them. I have seen Frankie play in a couple of matches live and on tape and the guy acts like a perfect gentleman, he doesn't complain when things arent going his way, and I have never seen him give up, he shows alot of heart. It sounds like the tournament director has something against Frankie, and this recent incident was the straw that broke the camel's back. I say forget that phony tour unless they change tournament directors. Good luck Frankie.
 
lockwood said:
Well let me start out by saying i was robbed bye Jose Burgos and his phony blaze 9 ball tour. Frankie Hernandez
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They let this guy get away with this all season?

They don't do anything about it?

And they keep going back to play in his rigged tournaments.

Well it just shows how dumb pool players are. Can't even do simple math to check the payouts.

I can just hear them, "Oh please kind sir, let me play in your rigged tournament".

So why do they put up with him and play in his tournnaments?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
They let this guy get away with this all season?

They don't do anything about it?

And they keep going back to play in his rigged tournaments.

Well it just shows how dumb pool players are. Can't even do simple math to check the payouts.

I can just hear them, "Oh please kind sir, let me play in your rigged tournament".

So why do they put up with him and play in his tournnaments?

Jake
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If you are a pool player trying to scrape by and it's the "only game in town" that week, you play.

Based on my single experience with the aforementioned tour director i believe every single word in FH's post.
 
Snapshot9 said:
The luck of the draw is just that, and you don't
go changing people's positions because you don't
like the way it turned out.
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100% correct. Imagine if they did that to Earl?
 
Frankie

I have seen this fellow at several events and this man is a class act.
We run a regional tour in Texas and have been asked on several occasions to use the automated draw and have always opted not to. In fact as we auction players off, we have them come forward and draw their own numbers. We also print a player roster before each auction so everyone can track the numbers and then post payouts as soon as possible.
It is not my intent to toot our own horn, but the game has enough negatives and it is best to be right up front and do what you say you are going to do.
It is a blackeye for the sport and game when things like this happen.
 
jjinfla said:
Well it just shows how dumb pool players are. Can't even do simple math to check the payouts.
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No, it goes to show how dumb you are. If there was ever a profession besides poker where the players pay attention to money, it's pool. BELIEVE me, if another pool player was aware of this before, we would've heard about it. Fixing the chart doesn't change the math, it just changes the recipient of the money. Pool players DO NOT want to give their opponents ANY kind of advantage.... had someone knew this was happening, they would've spoken up so as not to get cheated.

As far as the money issue at the Big Apple tournament... that has been brought to light a few times and questioned quite a bit. Many players that were there last yr were not there this yr.

As a side note jj, this is not the first time you've talked down about or badly about pool players. If you feel this strongly about the pool players why are you here? If it's because you like pool & you play pool, then you too are a pool player... You do the math. :rolleyes:
 
jjinfla said:
They let this guy get away with this all season?

They don't do anything about it?

And they keep going back to play in his rigged tournaments.

Well it just shows how dumb pool players are. Can't even do simple math to check the payouts.

I can just hear them, "Oh please kind sir, let me play in your rigged tournament".

So why do they put up with him and play in his tournnaments?

Jake
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You seem to have a propensity for attacking the professionals of the very sport you are a subscribed member to a forum.
Why don't you just get lost, considering you are so much better than everyone else. Wouldn't it be nice if these guys and girls were all independantly wealthy? That way they could view the world through your eyes.
 
Koop said:
You seem to have a propensity for attacking the professionals of the very sport you are a subscribed member to a forum.
Why don't you just get lost, considering you are so much better than everyone else. Wouldn't it be nice if these guys and girls were all independantly wealthy? That way they could view the world through your eyes.
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I can't remember the last time JJ made a post that wasn't some type of trash talking.
 
confused?

"I thought", once the draw had been made, that the automated system wouldn't let you change. So, if what we heard is true, there woul have had to been a whole new re-draw. Isn't that the reason for the automated draw?
I could be very wrong!
 
That's jive , if they really did try to fix the matches like that. He has every right to go off.

I will say, I've been to 2 tournys where Frankie exploded. One was a racking argument, at Jose Garcias room in Jersey. The other in Elizabeth NJ I think?, it was a while back, but I was playing right next to his table, and BOOM, he started screaming at his opponent about a push foul, and I almost had a heart attack (I was down on a shot). The whole tourny stopped til he was done....I think Allen Hopkins calmed him down. After that he was fine, and plays like a monster when he's in stroke!......Gerry
 
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