Frustrated with my league play

safe is the answer in 8 ball

If you can't get out you have to stop trying and tie things up ,make their life hell.Until the time is right. Its sometimes becomes a chess match.The way I was taught if you can't outshoot, them outsmart them.
You have to play with others better than you. It is harder to run out because smaller area same # of balls less room for them more clusters etc :D :D I've been to singles and doubles vegas apa .
 
Purdman said:
Hey baby, we all have our days. It is just a game. The most important thing is enjoying it. I played 3 games of 8 ball with my wife at home and ran out 2 out of 3 on her. I went to league and missed the 8 ball four times in a row. Go Figure man. Only difference is I won!
Purdman

Hey Purdman!

I here ya! Went out last week to our game room (shop), played the hubby for 8 hours! He kept pouring me straight shots....the more he poured, the better I shot. At first he was annoyed, then alittle pissy, but we were both laughing by the end.

I went out the next night for league, shot well in practice....couldn't buy a pocket during the match...go figure. Just gotta let it go, that's pool. BTW...no straight shots on league night, maybe that was the problem...Lol.

Lisa
 
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ive never shot on a barbox that would fit 2 balls in the pocket openings.

there are many things that make barbox pool very challenging, and i dont mean equipment wise although banks will play differently. the side pockets dont have angled faces, and they arent larger than the corners like on a 7-8-9ft home table where they are much larger so you should play fewer shots at the sides. they will bank differently so if you are not familiar with its banking characteristics look for a good safety. the rails on a barbox are a little higher than any table ive ever seen, when you're shooting off a rail you can't shoot with a level cue, you will barely scave the CB. you do need to jack up a little for rail shots making them much tougher.

my advice is to play on tables other than your own. go to these pubs and play on as many barboxes as you can find. some have slow cloth, some have good cloth. some have the big CB "the mud ball", some have the aramith CB, some have a standard CB. always look for the aramith CB, they play way different, they get more action like what you are probably used to.
 
with a smaller surface 7 footers will have more clusters. So my advice is to set up the balls in difficult scenarios (clusters and such) and try and run the rack. Don't break the balls just spread them across the table in difficult positions.

I don't know how you practice, but if it is just breaking and trying to run the racks, that is only productive for a while. If you are just waiting for good layouts than you only practice running open tables.

Take advantage of the fact that pool allows you to practice any scenario you can think of. The thing I really like about 8 ball is that it gives you the freedom to shoot positional trickshots. If you miss the position, who cares. As long as you had an insurance ball, its all good.

Hope this helps.
 
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Cameron Smith said:
with a smaller surface 7 footers will have more clusters. So my advice is to set up the balls in difficult scenarios (clusters and such) and try and run the rack. Don't break the balls just spread them across the table in difficult positions.

I don't know how you practice, but if it is just breaking and trying to run the racks, that is only productive for a while. If you are just waiting for good layouts than you only practice running open tables.

Take advantage of the fact that pool allows you to practice any scenario you can think of. The thing I really like about 8 ball is that it gives you the freedom to shoot positional trickshots. If you miss the position, who cares. As long as you had an insurance ball, its all good.

Hope this helps.


That is how I see it also, Anytime I have problem on the bar box, It's usually due to more conjestion on the table & smaller area to work with. Alot of times I'll force the run, get the breaks, then get hooked just enough to stop the run. This leaves even the weaker oponet an easy out. When you try to runout everytime, It's nice when you can string them together, and I have My share of those, but when It's just one of those nights when you clear your set for the most part, and that one ball gets you everytime, the table is left wide open with easy shots. I feel that the same thing can work against you when It comes to leaves, but aggree with the insurance ball on offense in 8 ,even so, I still actually have an easier time with 9 ball even though It's more of a positional game, because i don't have My oponets trash in my way. Sometimes If I'm having one of those nights, and know My oponets game, I'm guilty of playing the player, and putting Myself in position for the easy out, by letting him clear some trash. I'm not intentially sandbagging, just realizing My own limitations for that paticular night & hunkering down to stay alive. I play BCA now, so all that goes right out the window with the way the scoring works. It's actually benificial to try to make the run work everytime, so you don't get caught with all those points left on the table.

I think the point of practicing in public is a good one also, so as you are more comfortable with your surroundings when league night rolls around. There are always many distractions when playing out in public, especially the smaller places when they're packed out with people.

Also aggree that mindset is important, It does'nt matter what anyone else thinks, In your own mind you don't want to go in there thinking you might can win, You have to know it to be fact, and do what it takes, then as you start piling the wins up, Your confidense will grow as well, making you a stronger mental player when the pressure is on. I believe It's important to realize your limitations as well, because it can also help your confidense to know your game was off, and you still found a way to win. Basically find the positives, and try to focus mostly on them. I have this thing I do, that may seem kind of out there, but it helps Me, If I shoot a bad shot, and start feeling the hit from it mentally, I have a imaginary key that I put up to My head and turn, and I inturn shut that shot out of My memory bank. Sometimes It may not even be human error, and in fact be equipment related in some way, and can only hurt My game to keep It in My memory. I'm not saying not to learn from your mistakes, but rather that the shots that are more then likely not even your mistake you have to let go, because it serves no purpose not to, and the ones that baffle you as to what happened usually hurt My confidense & focus the most, because I become pre-occupied with figuring out what happened when i knew I did everything correctly. Sometimes it's as simple as a piece of chalk on the table or stuck to your tip, or possibly because you did'nt chalk before every shot, and miscued so slighty that It could not be heard or seen.

I think that overconfidense can hurt you also, so It's good to have someone rattle your nerves every once in while, It reminds you of how you got to the level of play you are at, and that your not always going to have that edge on everyone you play. Another thing also, once you start being a threat, you'll have people lay them out easy to you, but there will be others that will be instead gunning for you for the bragging rights, and play 2-3 times above their usual game. Thats one of the great things about it. I have been in and seen league games that would've looked like pro matches had you not known better. It's nice to have players to play that step up their level also, and force you to play better if not Your best. Some of My favorite games were against rivals that I went back and forth with. I'm talking about being respectfull of each other and their games, but rivals on the table, and matchups you actually look forward to.
 
One observation that has been touched on a little that I would like to point out is: Do not worry about what everyone is thinking about you!!! You are new, you want to show your game, you want to be accepted; all of this will lead to you being tense, nervous, anxious. Just try to relax, focus on your game, get those "voices" out of your head and just take it one ball at a time. Focus on an easy pre-shot routine. If you lose a game, figure out where you went wrong, then let it go. After reading a book called "The pleasures of small motions" (for which I have no affilliation) it really helped me to play my game without the constant chatter in my head, or beating myself up for a missed shot, and most of all, it helped with the fear of being judged by your peers. Take Care, Goodluck, have fun!
 
The best single piece of advice I can give you is to play to win and not to impress. 8 ball outs are not always there. Winning a game of 8 ball may not include a dazzling run of 6 or more balls, most of the time you have to be more patient and play defense.

What frustrates me is when I play in a tournament on the box where defense is not allowed.

I to have a larger home table but I have been able to win box tournaments.

Hope this helps.
 
I always show up a little early and roll the cueball across from diamond to diamond length ways to see how the table is rolling. Then check the rails, some rails you can see are screwed by getting even with the rail and looking down it. Sometimes you will run into a completely dead rail. Then of course check the cueball to see if it is magnetic, heavy, or big. If the cue ball is heavy use more top spin for position than back because the back spin is nearly impossible to control within a foot in my opinion (except for certain situations but still not easy in any reguards). Also when the ball is heavy then try to use as little throw as possible and keep your position as natural as possible. One time I knew a rail was dead and left my opponent an easy strait in bank and he hit it good but the rail was so dead he made it in the side instead of the corner hahaha. Little things like that will help you get a better winning percentage. Oh and another thing I would avoid is trying to play a safety by rolling the cue slowly at your ball if it is very close or partialy hidden by one that isnt yours, you will probably foul. The reason is almost all bar tables I have played on have a slight roll and very slow shots will either roll off or hit something on the table to mess you up. Only attemp to run out if you have a clear pocket for every ball or have a cluster you can break out within the first two shots. Hmmm and one more thing, dont underestimate anyone, I lost alot of games to lesser players because I think, "ill get another shot if i miss" and dont. Well I can't think of anything else to say at the moment but thats some stuff I figured out these last few seasons I have played in a bar box filled league, they help me in almost every match we have.
 
Professor;
I didn't see this in the other responses.
Are you allowed a time out? This would be a good to put it to use. It will help you build a relationship with your new team. They might have learned a few things about those tables too.
 
Bluey2King said:
Professor;
I didn't see this in the other responses.
Are you allowed a time out? This would be a good to put it to use. It will help you build a relationship with your new team. They might have learned a few things about those tables too.

Great idea.

Fred
 
thanks again for the tips and advice. i do indeed have a time out for each match, so maybe i will start using it to confer when i get stuck. i have been practicing with clusters on my home table, and i am going to try to play at the local pool hall every week so I can get used to the barboxes. the league rotates between several pool halls, there are "home" sessions and "away" sessions. This makes it pretty challenging because the tables change every single week.
 
TheProfessor said:
thanks again for the tips and advice. i do indeed have a time out for each match, so maybe i will start using it to confer when i get stuck. i have been practicing with clusters on my home table, and i am going to try to play at the local pool hall every week so I can get used to the barboxes. the league rotates between several pool halls, there are "home" sessions and "away" sessions. This makes it pretty challenging because the tables change every single week.


Professor
Please dont take this the wrong way but maybe you should step back and take a good look at your game. You might have some parts overrated
due to playing alot by yourself at home.
Find out why you are losing. Make sure you are playing to win and not to impress your teammates. Winning is the ultimate goal not running
out a bunch or looking great shooting wild shots.

Alot of times league players on bar table simply try to run out to much or too early. I think learning to win a game or match can be as difficult if not harder than learning to shoot.
Have fun
frankncali
 
TheProfessor said:
Last night was my second session in the local league that I have joined. I was pretty pissed when it was all over, ...

In some other post about a some other topic, somebody suggested reading the book "The Tao of Sports". I did and it helped my mental outlook enormously. It is a very easy read, I suggest reading it and enjoying the game itself a little more.
 
Prof,
8 ball on a bar box is definitely alot harder that on a 8 or 9 footer... To many clusters to manage and you have to be perfect to run out.. I think alot of people here gave you good advice. You have to be alot more patient on a bar box. If your opponent leaves you no shot after he misses, then you should play a safety or find a way to really screw with him, like tying up his balls etc. do whatever you can to screw with him on the table until you get a ball in hand and run-out. If you play smart, most probably you'll come out of that game a winner.

The heavy cue ball on the other hand, just try to minimize using draw or spin. Use lots of follow and center ball to move the cb around. Theres also a good book out there thats the 8ball bible on barboxes..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974727377/qid=1139934868/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/102-0759640-2968151?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
 
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