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I'm going to have a cue built w/ no core and am looking
for opinions on the best feeling wood/ weight distribution
with no weight bolt, no drilling and no bumper.
Is this ridiculous?
If it is, don't reply.
If it's not, what wood would you use?
Thanks for your input.
-cOOp
:Dfor good replies:D
 
bocote handle with brass pin=19 oz easily.
purple with brass pin around 18 oz easily.
 
There is a reason the old masters used a lot of MAPLE.
For a cue like you discribe that would be my choice.
Just plain straight grained (the tighter the better) maple.

Why not leave off the ferrule as well?
 
coopdeville said:
I'm going to have a cue built w/ no core and am looking
for opinions on the best feeling wood/ weight distribution
with no weight bolt, no drilling and no bumper.
Is this ridiculous?
If it is, don't reply.
If it's not, what wood would you use?
Thanks for your input.
-cOOp
:Dfor good replies:D
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B.O.C.O.T.E.

Regards,
kOOp
 
hmm

Varney Cues said:
You won't go wrong with rosewood or bocote.
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Is bocote lighter than rosewood?
I'm having second thoughts, maybe rosewood would be nice. :mad:
This cue is going to be nutty.
Thanks KV, I can't wait 3 monthes. :)
I might have to change my signature.
 
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coopdeville said:
Is bocote lighter than rosewood?
I'm having second thoughts, maybe rosewood would be nice. :mad:
This cue is going to be nutty.
Thanks KV, I can't wait 3 monthes. :)
I might have to change my signature.
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Err, I thought bocote was a rosewood variety too.
Cocobolo is also a rosewood variety.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Err, I thought bocote was a rosewood variety too.
Cocobolo is also a rosewood variety.
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Cocobolo IS a rosewood. Dalbergia retusa.

Bocote is NOT a rosewood. Cordia genus. There are at least 3 different genus of Bocote that are commercially sold. Cordia gerascanthus, Cordia eleaegnoides, and I forget the other. Ziricote is also a Cordia (notice the root in both is cote...I wonder what ziri and bo mean in latin).

There are many Cordia species that are not typically harvested. One example is Cordia alliadora, found in Puerto Rico. It is listed as a bocote, but I don't know if it looks like the typical bocote or more like ziricote.

You can always go above genus in the scientific classification until woods meet at a certain level, but eventually everything merges. If you go above the family classification, things get pretty different. Bocote and rosewood are NOT in the same family, you must go higher.

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Cocobolo IS a rosewood. Dalbergia retusa.

Bocote is NOT a rosewood. Cordia genus. There are at least 3 different genus of Bocote that are commercially sold. Cordia gerascanthus, Cordia eleaegnoides, and I forget the other. Ziricote is also a Cordia (notice the root in both is cote...I wonder what ziri and bo mean in latin).

There are many Cordia species that are not typically harvested. One example is Cordia alliadora, found in Puerto Rico. It is listed as a bocote, but I don't know if it looks like the typical bocote or more like ziricote.

You can always go above genus in the scientific classification until woods meet at a certain level, but eventually everything merges. If you go above the family classification, things get pretty different. Bocote and rosewood are NOT in the same family, you must go higher.

Kelly
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What he said.
KV<<<<<<<<<<<<<<wishes he knew that much!:D
 
I have been building some cocobolo forearm, birdesye or tiger handle, cocobolo buttsleeve cues and they come in at 19-20 oz with no weight bolt. I would imagine Bocote would be close with the same build. I add a birdseye joint collar and buttcap, they look pretty sharp.
 
cue specs

What do you want the cue to weigh? What kind of balance point are you trying to achieve? What kind of joint are you going to use both material and pin?
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Bocote is NOT a rosewood. Cordia genus. There are at least 3 different genus of Bocote that are commercially sold. Cordia gerascanthus, Cordia eleaegnoides, and I forget the other. Ziricote is also a Cordia (notice the root in both is cote...I wonder what ziri and bo mean in latin).



Kelly
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Does this mean that Ziricote has playing characteristics similar to Bocote?
 
bob_bushka said:
I have been building some cocobolo forearm, birdesye or tiger handle, cocobolo buttsleeve cues and they come in at 19-20 oz with no weight bolt. I would imagine Bocote would be close with the same build. I add a birdseye joint collar and buttcap, they look pretty sharp.
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Both cocobolo and ebony are very dense woods, and therefore are heavier. In a non-cored full splice, naturally weighted (sans bolt) staying under 19.5oz with either of these woods is more the exception than the norm.

Bacote and rosewoods tend to not be as dense, and as reason would have it, lighter in weight. A similarly constructed cue as mentioned above would likely fall into the 18.75oz-19.25oz range...perhaps even lighter in the case of rosewoods.

Personally, I have played with full splice rosewood, ebony, and now, bacote cues. I like the 'feedback' in all...but each speaks a different 'language'...Lol. :)

You absolutely cannot go wrong with a cue, constructed as you have mentioned, made of bacote. I was playing with an ebony full splice...similar construction, and recently acquired a bacote full splice...again, similar construction, and I am ga-ga over the bacote! I should note that the ebony cue had a Radial pin, whereas the bacote cue has a 3/8x11 SW type pin. I find the hit of bacote to be very lively and responsive...great feedback. :D

Lisa
 
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