Fundamentals - Playing From The Rail

Pidge

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This was by far the weakest part of my game for a long time. It is the one type of shot that sets the best from the nearly the best. But all it takes is a bit of practice and a little bit of knowledge to know how to improve.

It all starts with the bridge. Knowing what types of bridge works best for the shot at hand is a must...

- Cue ball glued to the rail -- Open bridge with just the finger tips resting on the rail keeps the cue as level as possible. You may have to raise the bridge very slightly as to not miscue, but its the bridge that will get it as level as possible and give you the most margin for error on the pot or shot.

- Cue ball a ball off the rail to a ball and a half off the rail -- again with the bridge above, use an open bridge but you can afford to get more of the fingers onto the rail instead of just the finger tips. This keeps it level if you need to play just above centre ball and roll a shot in. If you need to hit lower for draw or stun then you need to raise the open bridge. Don't raise it more than you need to to give you the biggest margin for error.

- Cue ball 4 - 8 inches off the rail -- this is probably the most common in match play and you can do anything you want with the cue ball (draw, stun, follow, swerve, side spin) with no real difficulties. I advise getting the cue resting on the table with a closed rail bridge. By this I mean rest the cue in the table, place the hand with the middle finger up against the cue and secure it in place by looping the index finger over the top and apply a little bit of squeeze with the fingers to keep the cue snug, but not tight. The thumb can either be tucked unger the hand and resting up against the side of the cue or as I like to do, pushed back and the tip of the thumb gripping the edge of the rail. This works especially well for power shots. This then rests the cue along the webbing between thumb and index. For this type of shot you want the back of your hand to be as close to the edge of the rail as possible so the fingers don't hook over the cushion too much...unless you have huge hands or small rails.

- Cue ball just far enough from the rail that you cant get your hand comfortably on the bed of the table -- same as above mostly. Same type of bridge but this time you can afford to move the bridge closer to the cushion and really hook the fingers over the cushion. You van even use a full closed bridge resting the finger tips on the bed, and the palm resting on the cushion with the thumb under the cue connected to the index finger. Again you can do anything you normally can with the cue ball, the pots are just as easy as normal and you can really let loose with the stroke.

There will be times when say, for a right handed player you are cueing down the rail to your left and bridging is awkward. For this you can use a full closed bridge, rest half the palm on the rail, other half off, have the pinky and ring finger testing along the cushion and the others on the bed. It looks awkward but its the most stable and effective way to bridge in situations when the rail gets in the way of getting your entire hand on the table. Other situations like having to bridge over a ball off the rail will crop up... These are tough tough shots. Just use the most stable and comfortable bridge for you and keep that cue as level as possible.

...onto the cue action...

Your back swing will be largely reduced on most rail shots which makes people feel they have to hit the shot harder. This is definitely not the case. Use your practice strokes to gauge how far back you can comfortably bridge the cue back without the tip touching the rail. Make them slow and have a purpose. Concentrate on cueing through the cue ball and when practicing really exaggerate the follow through to get a feeling of not stopping shortly after contact. Focus on bringing the cue back straight and the forward motion will be straight. I use my chest on these types of shots as a guide to cue straight. I focus on hitting my chest with the grip whilst keeping the elbow fixed and it really helps me cue through the ball straight.

Some players have an issue with not being able to see their tip at all during the shot because the bridge blocks it out and most of the cue ball at the same time. If you look at the OB last during normal shots then this shouldn't matter and you should continue to look at the OB last. If you are a CB last kind of guy then you may have to stand taller or make the head higher slightly. Just enough to see where you are hitting the cue ball.

I have also found that shifting my weight a lot more to the front and into the bridge on these shots really helps. I don't know why, but it does. When the cue ball is tight to the rail I would say 80% of my weight is towards my bridge hand.

My final chapter is on finding the centre of the cue ball when you can only see the top half. This was probably my biggest problem with these shots. I found that not focusing on the cue ball as I get down I automatically get down to centre ball. I then cue over the ball for a feather or two just as a double check as I'm getting down. The most important thing with these shots is to commit yourself 100% to it. Don't have doubts, make sure you cue through the ball not at the ball and keep the cue action slow and controlled.

:-)
 
:thumbup2:Good Post Pidge,

All you need to complete it would be some pics or video.

I have one question of clarification.

When you talk about 80% of the weight being toward the bridge hand do you mean shifted forward onto the 'front' foot or on the actual hand?

I could had to what you say here, but my thoughts are more to what I still see individuals doing 'wrong' even though they bridge as you're suggesting so I'll refrain from putting any negative possibilities into the picture.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
:thumbup2:Good Post Pidge,

All you need to complete it would be some pics or video.

I have one question of clarification.

When you talk about 80% of the weight being toward the bridge hand do you mean shifted forward onto the 'front' foot or on the actual hand?

I could had to what you say here, but my thoughts are more to what I still see individuals doing 'wrong' even though they bridge as you're suggesting so I'll refrain from putting any negative possibilities into the picture.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
Please do add to the post by what people do wrong. I was going to throw a few in there but the post was getting kind of lengthy.

As to your question...the weight is entirely on my bridge hand. If you have shoulder issues it isn't advised though.
 
I'll give my opponent the money ball if it is an easy shot but if the CB is on the rail, no matter how short or easy it is, I make him shoot it, for reasons you have made obvious.
 
I'll give my opponent the money ball if it is an easy shot but if the CB is on the rail, no matter how short or easy it is, I make him shoot it, for reasons you have made obvious.
I make them shoot every shot on the money ball, even the hangers. I don't like giving anyone anything for free in pool. I still cant put my finger on exactly why I or anyone else has struggled with these shots but all I can do is try to explain how I got it to work.
 
Good post! I'd like to add that whenever you're on the rail you should choke up on the stick. Meaning bring your grip hand forward. I'm not sure why but it really helps.

I've also noticed that people never really practice these shots and only shoot them when they come up in matches. Once I practiced for about 20 min(which isn't much) only shooting from the rail and bridging over balls and I'd say my accuracy increased by 50%. My biggest problem seems to be getting comfortable enough to steady my whole body and stroke through the ball. This is especially true when I need to jack up on the shot to draw the ball when it's right on the rail.

Now if only I could just learn to keep the ball off the rail...
 
Good post! I'd like to add that whenever you're on the rail you should choke up on the stick. Meaning bring your grip hand forward. I'm not sure why but it really helps.

I've also noticed that people never really practice these shots and only shoot them when they come up in matches. Once I practiced for about 20 min(which isn't much) only shooting from the rail and bridging over balls and I'd say my accuracy increased by 50%. My biggest problem seems to be getting comfortable enough to steady my whole body and stroke through the ball. This is especially true when I need to jack up on the shot to draw the ball when it's right on the rail.

Now if only I could just learn to keep the ball off the rail...
This is where the weight forward really helps. With your weight forward mostly onto your bridge, instead of both feet its hard to shift weight from one side of the hand to the other compared to left for to right foot. What this means for me is its harder to move left to right when down if most of the weight is on the bridge.

Choking up is an excellent point. Lots of players hold the cue too far back when tight on the cushion. You want your shooting arm to be at the same angle at the elbow when jacked up, on the rail, jumping etc as when you are down on normal shots
 
Choking up for shots on the rail improves my accuracy also, it results in a shorter back-swing.

Good post! I'd like to add that whenever you're on the rail you should choke up on the stick. Meaning bring your grip hand forward. I'm not sure why but it really helps.

I've also noticed that people never really practice these shots and only shoot them when they come up in matches. Once I practiced for about 20 min(which isn't much) only shooting from the rail and bridging over balls and I'd say my accuracy increased by 50%. My biggest problem seems to be getting comfortable enough to steady my whole body and stroke through the ball. This is especially true when I need to jack up on the shot to draw the ball when it's right on the rail.

Now if only I could just learn to keep the ball off the rail...
 
This was by far the weakest part of my game for a long time. It is the one type of shot that sets the best from the nearly the best. But all it takes is a bit of practice and a little bit of knowledge to know how to improve.

It all starts with the bridge. Knowing what types of bridge works best for the shot at hand is a must...

- Cue ball glued to the rail -- Open bridge with just the finger tips resting on the rail keeps the cue as level as possible. You may have to raise the bridge very slightly as to not miscue, but its the bridge that will get it as level as possible and give you the most margin for error on the pot or shot.

- Cue ball a ball off the rail to a ball and a half off the rail -- again with the bridge above, use an open bridge but you can afford to get more of the fingers onto the rail instead of just the finger tips. This keeps it level if you need to play just above centre ball and roll a shot in. If you need to hit lower for draw or stun then you need to raise the open bridge. Don't raise it more than you need to to give you the biggest margin for error.

- Cue ball 4 - 8 inches off the rail -- this is probably the most common in match play and you can do anything you want with the cue ball (draw, stun, follow, swerve, side spin) with no real difficulties. I advise getting the cue resting on the table with a closed rail bridge. By this I mean rest the cue in the table, place the hand with the middle finger up against the cue and secure it in place by looping the index finger over the top and apply a little bit of squeeze with the fingers to keep the cue snug, but not tight. The thumb can either be tucked unger the hand and resting up against the side of the cue or as I like to do, pushed back and the tip of the thumb gripping the edge of the rail. This works especially well for power shots. This then rests the cue along the webbing between thumb and index. For this type of shot you want the back of your hand to be as close to the edge of the rail as possible so the fingers don't hook over the cushion too much...unless you have huge hands or small rails.

- Cue ball just far enough from the rail that you cant get your hand comfortably on the bed of the table -- same as above mostly. Same type of bridge but this time you can afford to move the bridge closer to the cushion and really hook the fingers over the cushion. You van even use a full closed bridge resting the finger tips on the bed, and the palm resting on the cushion with the thumb under the cue connected to the index finger. Again you can do anything you normally can with the cue ball, the pots are just as easy as normal and you can really let loose with the stroke.

There will be times when say, for a right handed player you are cueing down the rail to your left and bridging is awkward. For this you can use a full closed bridge, rest half the palm on the rail, other half off, have the pinky and ring finger testing along the cushion and the others on the bed. It looks awkward but its the most stable and effective way to bridge in situations when the rail gets in the way of getting your entire hand on the table. Other situations like having to bridge over a ball off the rail will crop up... These are tough tough shots. Just use the most stable and comfortable bridge for you and keep that cue as level as possible.

...onto the cue action...

Your back swing will be largely reduced on most rail shots which makes people feel they have to hit the shot harder. This is definitely not the case. Use your practice strokes to gauge how far back you can comfortably bridge the cue back without the tip touching the rail. Make them slow and have a purpose. Concentrate on cueing through the cue ball and when practicing really exaggerate the follow through to get a feeling of not stopping shortly after contact. Focus on bringing the cue back straight and the forward motion will be straight. I use my chest on these types of shots as a guide to cue straight. I focus on hitting my chest with the grip whilst keeping the elbow fixed and it really helps me cue through the ball straight.

Some players have an issue with not being able to see their tip at all during the shot because the bridge blocks it out and most of the cue ball at the same time. If you look at the OB last during normal shots then this shouldn't matter and you should continue to look at the OB last. If you are a CB last kind of guy then you may have to stand taller or make the head higher slightly. Just enough to see where you are hitting the cue ball.

I have also found that shifting my weight a lot more to the front and into the bridge on these shots really helps. I don't know why, but it does. When the cue ball is tight to the rail I would say 80% of my weight is towards my bridge hand.

My final chapter is on finding the centre of the cue ball when you can only see the top half. This was probably my biggest problem with these shots. I found that not focusing on the cue ball as I get down I automatically get down to centre ball. I then cue over the ball for a feather or two just as a double check as I'm getting down. The most important thing with these shots is to commit yourself 100% to it. Don't have doubts, make sure you cue through the ball not at the ball and keep the cue action slow and controlled.

:-)


Pidge, this is a superb post/thread. You may want to consider adding a pic for each of your examples.

What has helped me the most, in addition to the various insights Pidge offers, is spending about as much time practicing off the rail as I do from say the head spot. I also practice bridging/stroking over object balls during these sessions. Maybe that could be another topic for Pidge to delve into later? :thumbup:
 
Pidge, this is a superb post/thread. You may want to consider adding a pic for each of your examples.

What has helped me the most, in addition to the various insights Pidge offers, is spending about as much time practicing off the rail as I do from say the head spot. I also practice bridging/stroking over object balls during these sessions. Maybe that could be another topic for Pidge to delve into later? :thumbup:
If you would like the next fundamental thread to be on bridging and cueing over balls then I will be mire than happy to do it :-)

Practice, practice and practice! If you don't devote the time to shots like off the rail then you wont improve on them. It wasn't until I started to play UK pool seriously that I thought crap! I need to practice these shots. The tables are small and can be congested so id say 30% of shots were off the rail. I put in several hours of practice over the course of a week and by the end I had it nailed.
 
It can help when close to the rail to shoot down a tiny bit on the ball, I've heard pros suggest that, it will keep the tip from sliding off the top of the ball and "trapping" it with the shaft, as I'm sure we've all done LOL. It also give you a bit more "meat" of the cueball to contact.
 
I'd love to see some bridges while treetopped, especially the differences between Euro players (Darren Appleton), American (Shane), and Filipino. I'm short (5'7"), so treetop bridging is a challenge at times, as are jump fundamentals with both a jump cue and full cue.
 
I'd love to see some bridges while treetopped, especially the differences between Euro players (Darren Appleton), American (Shane), and Filipino. I'm short (5'7"), so treetop bridging is a challenge at times, as are jump fundamentals with both a jump cue and full cue.
Treetop? I'm intrigued.
 
It can help when close to the rail to shoot down a tiny bit on the ball, I've heard pros suggest that, it will keep the tip from sliding off the top of the ball and "trapping" it with the shaft, as I'm sure we've all done LOL. It also give you a bit more "meat" of the cueball to contact.
Its worth noting that just like a jump, the middle of the white changes with elevation. You can't line up with a level cue for center cue ball and then raise the but whilst keeping the tip pointed at the same place because this becomes low on the cue ball as the butt gains height. Knowing where CCB is when jacked up is a big bonus and you can feel the 'meatier', fuller contact. When very close or even touching its a good idea to cue down on the ball. Just enough that its not awkward but enough to not risk tolling the shaft over the ball...and yes...we've all done it and blamed it on not enough chalk!
 
Thanks for the great write up. Shooting off the rails and over balls is probably one of the weakest parts of my game.
 
sorry. Shooting over a ball when the cb is glued to it. especially when in a straight line in relation to the object ball
Ohhh I get it :-)

Yeah it is a challenge for me too. Stubby fingers and big palms don't help me as a pool player :-(

I will raise this issue in the next fundamental thread as I've found a couple of ways to help me with it.
 
Please do add to the post by what people do wrong. I was going to throw a few in there but the post was getting kind of lengthy.

As to your question...the weight is entirely on my bridge hand. If you have shoulder issues it isn't advised though.

Thanks Pidge. 80% on the hand seems a lot to me, but then my hands are a bit weak & busted up from other sports.

The 'fault' that I see alot is sort of a combination of things & the not choking up has been mentioned but also when some shoot 'diagonally' with the cue on the rail & a bit jacked up they don't bridge tight enough, as you suggest, & the cue sort of slides down hill so the speak & a bit of unintended side gets on the ball. It can actually be a combination of that along with not choking up.

There is much going on with these types of shots.

When I notice that I start to miss a couple of these that I should not be missing, I put all of the balls about a ball away from the rail as far as they go around the table & then I toss the CB into the middle of the table. & then pic a shot & shoot it with one of the balls. When I pocket it, that ball is the next OB, etc. If I miss a shot, I return that ball to it's location on the rail. I do this until only the last 'CB' is on the table.

I'll say this & but don't really want to go into it due to an earlier post in another thread but, I've found that a firm connection to the cue seems to work best for this type of shot as opposed to my more normal loose connection to the cue. Some will say that is nonsense & science says it makes no difference. Well, IMO, each individual should judge for themselves.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
Thanks Pidge. 80% on the hand seems a lot to me, but then my hands are a bit weak & busted up from other sports.

The 'fault' that I see alot is sort of a combination of things & the not choking up has been mentioned but also when some shoot 'diagonally' with the cue on the rail & a bit jacked up they don't bridge tight enough, as you suggest, & the cue sort of slides down hill so the speak & a bit of unintended side gets on the ball. It can actually be a combination of that along with not choking up.

There is much going on with these types of shots.

When I notice that I start to miss a couple of these that I should not be missing, I put all of the balls about a ball away from the rail as far as they go around the table & then I toss the CB into the middle of the table. & then pic a shot & shoot it with one of the balls. When I pocket it, that ball is the next OB, etc. If I miss a shot, I return that ball to it's location on the rail. I do this until only the last 'CB' is on the table.

I'll say this & but don't really want to go into it due to an earlier post in another thread but, I've found that a firm connection to the cue seems to work best for this type of shot as opposed to my more normal loose connection to the cue. Some will say that is nonsense & science says it makes no difference. Well, IMO, each individual should judge for themselves.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
Yeah the cueing diagonally across the rail is a major problem. The cue is easier to move side to side in this position so its really important to tighten the loop.

As to your comment in the grip...my grip is firm for every type of shot. I don't play a single shot with a loose grip. So, I haven't really experimented with a loose grip off the rail. My firm grip works just fine.
 
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