Fusco's The Spot (smoking allowed - nasty)

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As a group smokers feel like they have the right to kill those around them with their smoke. I think people should be able to smoke all they want in the comfort of their own homes. As long as they don't have children present or anyone else who doesn't have the ability to speak out against second hand smoke. I really don't think this has anything to do with freedom of choice this is just about being a good person and not forcing your poison on others. I think ill invent the first smokers helmet. This helmet will trap all their own smoke and let them just recycle it until it has been completely absorbed into the smokers body.
 
Blaming things on the government is just an easy fall back when one doesn't have a strong argument to make.
 
CueNut40 said:
As a group smokers feel like they have the right to kill those around them with their smoke.
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I don't think that is true at all, at least it never was for me. I happen to think a smoker has the right to smoke when it is legal to smoke in a given area or place. If there is someone who is bothered by smoke, they certainly have the right not to be there. I also think smokers should ABSOLUTELY observe the rules of any non smoking establishment/place.

The difference here is, you seem to think non smokers should be able to go into anybody's establishment they want to and have the rules be as they wish them to be. I think the owner should be able to set any legal rules they want based upon their personal desires or, hopefully, the market they want to attract. You want to tell the smokers what to do because of your personal preference while I want people to have the right to choose.
 
That's just it.. A non smoker doesn't have the right to choose to not inhale second hand smoke unless they choose to stay away from smoke all together. Personally Ive never been to Fuscos and now I know that it is a deathtrap I know to stay away. My response wasn't to the business owner who allows smoking they is their choice. My response is to the many smokers on this thread who feel they have lost some God given right to fire up anyplace they would like.
 
Interesting responses from everyone, many thanks for sharing your thoughts. I take this matter seriously, having lost some close friends and not so distant relatives to emphysema. Some of them never smoked. ;)

To Pete, hope you fully recover, and come back with a sense of urgency and determination to do what's right for the game and your customers.
 
Tronpocket said:
Make you a deal, come in one day and if you can run 100 on table 18 ill build you a personal ,hermetically sealled" bubble boy" enclosure around the table.:winknudge:... with the stipulation you come once a month and i can charge customers to watch you. :wave::yeah:
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F'ing awesome. Great post.
 
Look at the first post - the OP is not badmouthing the establishment, or giving a biased opinion. He is giving a first-hand account of his experience at this pool hall. Can anyone who's been there, smoker or not, disagree with his observations?

To those who say "What were you thinking? You knew it was smoking allowed when you went there?" I say I've been to many smoking bars/pool halls (I'm a non-smoker) and the smoke really wasn't too bad at some of these places and so I didn't mind it so much. He is giving information to those who otherwise might not know HOW bad the smoke is at the Spot so they can avoid it - and for those that prefer a place thick with smoke, now you know where to go!

He doesn't debate anyone's right to smoke. He doesn't make any personal attacks towards smokers (except the bit about loss of smell, which I think there is medical backing on this minor point, but no I don't have the references to support this claim).

He does say the place should "get a clue and don't allow smoking". OK. But he does say a couple of nice things about the place before that "good people and equipment" which I agree with as well.

However, I don't go there either because it is every bit as bad as some of the posters are describing.
 
Classic cues---> nice comments.

Macguy---> usually love your posts. I understand you don't like smoke. Ease up a bit maybe.

Poolmouse----> have you ever stsrted a thread that wasn't about bashing smoking rooms ? Or jumped in the middle of a thread about unicorns to inject your smoking beliefs. At least you owned up to being on the wagon [smoke]. Did you ask them for your $2 back ?

To the rest of ya...Jesus is coming soon.

This thread sucks tobacco smoke !
 
Tominator said:
Look at the first post - the OP is not badmouthing the establishment, or giving a biased opinion. He is giving a first-hand account of his experience at this pool hall. Can anyone who's been there, smoker or not, disagree with his observations?

To those who say "What were you thinking? You knew it was smoking allowed when you went there?" I say I've been to many smoking bars/pool halls (I'm a non-smoker) and the smoke really wasn't too bad at some of these places and so I didn't mind it so much. He is giving information to those who otherwise might not know HOW bad the smoke is at the Spot so they can avoid it - and for those that prefer a place thick with smoke, now you know where to go!

He doesn't debate anyone's right to smoke. He doesn't make any personal attacks towards smokers (except the bit about loss of smell, which I think there is medical backing on this minor point, but no I don't have the references to support this claim).

He does say the place should "get a clue and don't allow smoking". OK. But he does say a couple of nice things about the place before that "good people and equipment" which I agree with as well.

However, I don't go there either because it is every bit as bad as some of the posters are describing.
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Give me a break, look at some of his other posts regarding smoking rooms. The man is on a mission to hurt people's business and use his free speech. Semantics.
 
Lonestar_jim said:
The man is on a mission to hurt people's business and use his free speech.
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If The Spot's success relies on the pool community not discussing how it allows cigarette smoke, I'd say they don't need help hurting their business. The owner just had a heart attack, should we not talk about that too? Do you believe cigarettes had nothing to do with it? :)
 
poolmouse said:
If The Spot's success relies on the pool community not discussing how it allows cigarette smoke, I'd say they don't need help hurting their business. The owner just had a heart attack, should we not talk about that too? Do you believe cigarettes had nothing to do with it? :)
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I had not seen the room mentioned before, so I'm not certain that this forum has "helped" them in the past.

I can't recall if the employee of this business affirmed the myocardial infarction story, as he has edited several posts.

Cigarette smoking is the leading cause of M.I.'s, so yes talk away. I don't know about his case, but cigs may have been the culprit. Speculative unless he was in and around smoke enough to cause an M.I. How much time would that be again ?

Did you start this thread knowing about his health problem ? I fail to remember you mentioning it.
 
poolmouse said:
If The Spot's success relies on the pool community not discussing how it allows cigarette smoke, I'd say they don't need help hurting their business. The owner just had a heart attack, should we not talk about that too? Do you believe cigarettes had nothing to do with it? :)
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I have had a few friend who had heart attacks and never smoked in their lives. I think it has more to do with diet. I had three friends that have had stents put in due to blockage and never smoked. I have also had friends who had all the above and did smoke.
 
poolmouse said:
Interesting responses from everyone, many thanks for sharing your thoughts. I take this matter seriously, having lost some close friends and not so distant relatives to emphysema. Some of them never smoked. ;)

To Pete, hope you fully recover, and come back with a sense of urgency and determination to do what's right for the game and your customers.
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Actually, its for the owner to decide what's best for his business and nothing else!
 
poolmouse said:
I believe in freedom of choice too, this is why I decided not to go to The Spot anymore.

I'm also a believer in freedom of speech, insofar as alerting pool players so they can make an informed decision.

I'm also 35+ year NRA supporting member, yes, believer in the 2nd Amendment. :)
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Actually, knocking and alerting are two different things. I'm sure non-smokers would call ahead to find out for themselves. You're just trying to put pressure on a business owner to your demands. How about the proposition you tried to make with him about a time limit on smoking and he would have a customer?
 
backplaying said:
Actually, knocking and alerting are two different things. I'm sure non-smokers would call ahead to find out for themselves. You're just trying to put pressure on a business owner to your demands. How about the proposition you tried to make with him about a time limit on smoking and he would have a customer?
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I'm not sure how that could be interpreted as a demand. I won't go there because of the cigarette smoke. If the owner makes it smoke free between Noon and 6PM, I might go back there. I'd say its more of a compromise than a demand. If the owner doesn't like people talking about the cigarette smoke, there's only one way to fix that - don't allow it.
 
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