Gambling Or No Gambling

GAMBLING OR NO GAMBLING IN POOL

  • I hope gambling will continue to be a part of pool.

    Votes: 129 64.2%

  • I would prefer that no one gambled at pool.

    Votes: 15 7.5%

  • I don't care one way or the other.

    Votes: 57 28.4%
  • Total voters
    201
  • Poll closed .
JoeyA said:
Pushout answered you far better than I would have been able to answer you and I agree with his post.

Your TWO questions were examples of your prejudice towards gambling. While you MAY reluctantly partake in gambling you actually think gambling is wrong and wish that it was not part of pool. I think you contradicted yourself on your vote and didn't vote the way you truly feel.

At least that's what I gathered from your post. No harm, no foul.... I'm glad to read your post. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would love to hear some other posters make their argument against gambling AND HOPE THAT OTHER AZ POSTERS WHO PREFER GAMBLING WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO RIDICULE THEM.

Thanks,

JoeyA
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Well Joey, I believe I answered the poll correctly, while I personally don't need or even like to gamble on anything I certainly wouldn't want it out of the game for those that do. Make sense? I want someone's BEST game, and if I can only get it by betting that's a price I'm willing to pay. So, I'm not going to answer that I WANT GAMBLING IN THE GAME, or I DON'T WANT IT......I want the competition, and for some that requires gambling. I really don't care either way if it's part of the game, it's part of most sport or recreation. If the poll was, If you could play pool all the time without gambling, would you??? I'd only vote yes if it were SERIOUS pool....since I know some money players just bang it around when there is nothing at stake but winning or losing the game.....I HATE THAT (I said HATE, I accept gambling, see, not HATE). :grin:
 
Gambling on pool? I didn't know there was such a thing. It sounds interesting although I am not quite sure how it would work.:rolleyes:
 
9 on the snap said:
Gambling on pool? I didn't know there was such a thing. It sounds interesting although I am not quite sure how it would work.:rolleyes:
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Yeah, don't you know that "Gambling Not Allowed"? It IS against the rules, you know.
 
I'll site another example of something that irks me about it....

local 8 ball tourney 2nd match race to 4 for me 5 for opponent. He was itching to get into some action on another table across the room and wasn't focusing on our match one bit. I'm up 3-1 and in the last game I play safe on the 8 ball (on a shot I could easily have ended the match with). I did it to frustrate him since he'd been frustrating me the whole match by pretty much dumping to get across the room to play. He unscrewed his cue a came over to concede saying, "you don't need to screw with me, you shoulda just made it and won". I said shaking his hand, "you didn't need to screw with me either, and shoulda conceded on the first game....good luck with the money match-up".

If you're not gonna PLAY, then don't enter the tourney...sheesh.
 
grindz said:
I am for a culture in pool where everyone doesn't HAVE to gamble...it is a GAME!!! You all can gamble if you want...I choose not to....quit the name calling and disparaging of all those who don't share your views.

td
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You must not have read my post correctly. you don't have a clue.
 
crawfish said:
I actually had this happen in a $65 dollar two day event.


This guy comes in as a "six" and I am a "nine." I am spotting him three games going to nine. I played good. Just not good enough. The guy laid it down so well that I actually started woofing at him after the match. He beat me on the hill (which was probably the plan, or at least close). The guy wins the tourney and then beats two other tourneys in Raleigh as a "six." He leaves town. Guess where he went. The US Open. It was Rodney Morris. This was early nineties? Same year I believe he won the Open. I look back on this and am glad he didn't rob me, because I was set on "sailing" mode.
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That man's a professional. He wouldn't lay down like that. I think you just don't like him. :D :D :D


(I love the stories of champions slinking in to tournaments with low handicaps or a change of name to go cheap in the Calcutta). If you're trying to slink in undercover, just stay the hell away from Gulfport, MS on Nov 8-9 or RebelDoc will give you an attitude adjustment. :D

JoeyA
 
trustyrusty said:
I'll site another example of something that irks me about it....

local 8 ball tourney 2nd match race to 4 for me 5 for opponent. He was itching to get into some action on another table across the room and wasn't focusing on our match one bit. I'm up 3-1 and in the last game I play safe on the 8 ball (on a shot I could easily have ended the match with). I did it to frustrate him since he'd been frustrating me the whole match by pretty much dumping to get across the room to play. He unscrewed his cue a came over to concede saying, "you don't need to screw with me, you shoulda just made it and won". I said shaking his hand, "you didn't need to screw with me either, and shoulda conceded on the first game....good luck with the money match-up".

If you're not gonna PLAY, then don't enter the tourney...sheesh.
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I have to admit, I find myself doing that sometimes. I enter the tourney and the whole time, I am trying to find "the perfect matchup."
 
grindz said:
If you read the above statements, it says it all. It is ALL about EGO. Taking peoples money is a great way to build up your own. There is NO other reason to gamble with someone except that you want to take their money. If you do it for another reason call Dr. Phil. If you go even deeper, it's not that you hate losing to lesser players because they won't gamble with you it's that you hate NOT BEING ABLE to play well w/out stakes.
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As I said previously, you've missed the point. Anyone who knows me will tell you that the ego you are talking about, I don't have. Maybe you have a problem, I don't know. Sounds like it was ego for you at one time, converts are the worst fanatics. I don't think you're qualified to make a statement like this about me, Joey, or anyone else here. If you were, you probably wouldn't be here at all. I don't give a damn whether you gamble or not, but Joey is right, it's self righteous people like you who haven't a clue that gives the rest of us a bad name.
I admit I've struggled in tournaments and non-money games to win, what I didn't say is that I've pretty much overcome that in recent years. So what? Go cry somewhere else, to someone who gives a damn.
 
There Are Worse Things Than Drunks, Although I Can't Remember What They Are Right Now

Whether you like to gamble or not, I suggest that everyone play for a drink each game.
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, you can still end up a drunkard.

Doug
 
One thing that gambling is good for

I went to the pool room last night, and I was hitting balls on a table by myself. A guy comes in, gets a table next to me, and starts hawking me while I shoot. I start playing down to entice him, and he finally comes over and asks to play some. He proceeds to lay down in a huge way. We were both laying down for a bit ( i am waiting the whole time for him to ask to play for something), and he never really does. He was asking me a bunch of questions, he was obviously not from the area, he is scoping out my cues, asking all kinds of things. I felt like I was on a job interview!

His whole demeanor is just the classic hustle, and he has a good stroke, but missing shape and dogging all over the place. Anyways, I finally bring up playing for something and he says he can't, he doesn't have the cash! I really didn't know what to make of it. He spent soo much time and energy feeling me out, testing me, laying down, and when the opportunity comes he declines. He went out of his way for the setup, and then nothing. The entire time he is completely letting on like he has a monster game that he won't bother to bring out for nothing, but won't gamble either. What are you supposeed to do? Look I love to play, and I will play with anyone ( as long as I like their company), and I will play anyone for free. I do not feel like there HAS to be money on it. I will also play anyone cheap.

The real point that I am getting to is that gambling IS good for at least one thing: It eliminates BS excuses! Everyone likes to bang balls around and say " I am not REALLY trying , cause there ain't anything on the game". It's pretty hard to say that when your losing $100 a set or whatever. Even though then it usually shifts to " You think I care about $100? Nah, ". I think it keeps people honest.

Putting something on the outcome DOES help you focus, and the win stands for something. You can't cop out of it by saying " I am way better than him, but I wasn't trying" Own up to your performance, good or bad. People love to take credit for the good, but not when things don't go their way.
 
Pushout said:
As I said previously, you've missed the point. Anyone who knows me will tell you that the ego you are talking about, I don't have. Maybe you have a problem, I don't know. Sounds like it was ego for you at one time, converts are the worst fanatics. I don't think you're qualified to make a statement like this about me, Joey, or anyone else here. If you were, you probably wouldn't be here at all. I don't give a damn whether you gamble or not, but Joey is right, it's self righteous people like you who haven't a clue that gives the rest of us a bad name.
I admit I've struggled in tournaments and non-money games to win, what I didn't say is that I've pretty much overcome that in recent years. So what? Go cry somewhere else, to someone who gives a damn.
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I give you a bad name??????? As to Joey....I only give him reps. As to quoting you I meant it in more of a rhetorical sense and not to you specifically (for that I apologize). But I won't bother to explain as you seem to just want to argue.

b-bye

td
 
grindz said:
I give you a bad name??????? As to Joey....I only give him reps. As to quoting you I meant it in more of a rhetorical sense and not to you specifically (for that I apologize). But I won't bother to explain as you seem to just want to argue.

b-bye

td
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No I don't want to argue. That was the tone of your post from my point of view. And I didn't mean me, specifically. It just seemed to me like another bashing post. If I took it wrong, then I apologize.
 
poolpro said:
The real point that I am getting to is that gambling IS good for at least one thing: It eliminates BS excuses! Everyone likes to bang balls around and say " I am not REALLY trying , cause there ain't anything on the game". It's pretty hard to say that when your losing $100 a set or whatever. Even though then it usually shifts to " You think I care about $100? Nah, ". I think it keeps people honest.

Putting something on the outcome DOES help you focus, and the win stands for something. You can't cop out of it by saying " I am way better than him, but I wasn't trying" Own up to your performance, good or bad. People love to take credit for the good, but not when things don't go their way.
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Funny....I'd never go outta my way to go to a poolhall or bar to play and not really try. If I go somewhere to shoot pool, I want to PLAY not bang balls around (I can do that at home, and I rarely get lazy or sloppy shooting here either). As far as playing badly, no problem admitting that, and I definitely don't have a problem admitting somebody cleaned my clock and is better than I am.

I guess I'm just not a puff out your chest and brag about this and that type of guy. I want to compete, win or lose....I'll compete again.
 
grindz said:
I didn't see it this way at all in your quote of trustyrusty. While I won't pretend to be able to speak for him/her I don't see posing the questions as being anti gambling. You (from what I have read and past interaction) are a considerate and thoughtful person...given that...it is possible for another to discuss the issue with you. I am sure (wanna bet I'm wrong....I'll bet I'm right :wink: ) that your paradigm was shaped by someone preaching at you about how wrong it is to gamble (or maybe a personal battle within)....so you seem to automatically assume if someone is not pro gambling that they hold the same viewpoint as the preacher in your past. That is an incorrect assumption! We all are our own person. Our minds try to lump others into groups to make it easier to remember and maybe for a lack of CPU space. Hence stereotypes...................(self taught psychologist :) )

I on the other hand....having chosen (later in life) to no longer gamble in pool....have the paradigm of being name called, woofed at and belittled any time I voice my views on this subject in this forum. I only have taken the time to weigh in and respond because I feel you are a thoughtful and considerate person and YOU posed the poll. I think your results prove me right in my opinion that Non gamblers really don't care if gamblers gamble and that the gamblers are in the majority in the "self righteous" category.

What do you think??

td
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I think there are "self-righteous" people on both sides of the fence. It is kind of funny but if I thought not gambling at pool would make pool a viable way to make a living (for others) I would quit tomorrow. I don't need nor want to beat others out of their rent money just to fatten my wallet. It's enjoyable to win cash but I would be living on the street decades ago if I had to depend on gambling at pool.

It is difficult to read the inflection that a poster puts into their written words and that is one reason why I use a lot of smiley faces, bold-facing of text and quotation marks etc.

I think Pushout and I enjoy gambling at pool as an additional way to enjoy playing pool. It is obviously one that stimulates our interest and competitive nature. It seems that we are both reasonable people who gamble for our own personal satisfaction and it isn't a moral issue with either of us. Neither one of us are willing to be chastised for gambling by anyone, including the local pastor. (Now, if you try and read into what I have just said, you might think that I am referring to you, but I'm not. I'm just off on another tangent. I've already forgotten what you wrote and I am on my own road once more, posting my own personal words and thoughts that will soon be read, argued about and forgotten in short order by other AZB posters.) :D It is unfortunate that I do not always give close attention to some of the posts like I should but it probably reduces the number of angry retaliatory posts by me. :embarrassed2: :grin:

Best Regards,
JoeyA
 
Well I'm willing to bet that each and every one of you would be a lambkiller for $100 if given the opportunity. Scenario: If you're in a bar, lounge and a guy (that can't run three balls) is harrassing everyone about betting $100 a set and is woofing at EVERYONE, you guys know good and well you'll step up.
 
JoeyA said:
I think there are "self-righteous" people on both sides of the fence. It is kind of funny but if I thought not gambling at pool would make pool a viable way to make a living (for others) I would quit tomorrow. I don't need nor want to beat others out of their rent money just to fatten my wallet. It's enjoyable to win cash but I would be living on the street decades ago if I had to depend on gambling at pool.

It is difficult to read the inflection that a poster puts into their written words and that is one reason why I use a lot of smiley faces, bold-facing of text and quotation marks etc.

I think Pushout and I enjoy gambling at pool as an additional way to enjoy playing pool. It is obviously one that stimulates our interest and competitive nature. It seems that we are both reasonable people who gamble for our own personal satisfaction and it isn't a moral issue with either of us. Neither one of us are willing to be chastised for gambling by anyone, including the local pastor. (Now, if you try and read into what I have just said, you might think that I am referring to you, but I'm not. I'm just off on another tangent. I've already forgotten what you wrote and I am on my own road once more, posting my own personal words and thoughts that will soon be read, argued about and forgotten in short order by other AZB posters.) :D It is unfortunate that I do not always give close attention to some of the posts like I should but it probably reduces the number of angry retaliatory posts by me. :embarrassed2: :grin:

Best Regards,
JoeyA
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tap tap tap..............:)

What do you conclude from the poll?

td
 
poolpro said:
The real point that I am getting to is that gambling IS good for at least one thing: It eliminates BS excuses! Everyone likes to bang balls around and say " I am not REALLY trying , cause there ain't anything on the game". It's pretty hard to say that when your losing $100 a set or whatever. Even though then it usually shifts to " You think I care about $100? Nah, ". I think it keeps people honest.

Putting something on the outcome DOES help you focus, and the win stands for something. You can't cop out of it by saying " I am way better than him, but I wasn't trying" Own up to your performance, good or bad. People love to take credit for the good, but not when things don't go their way.
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YOu made some excellent points about gambling and how it takes the BS out of the bragging rights. If you beat me out of my cash you're just better or smarter or both, today. :D

There are plenty of people who talk trash and can't back up what they say on the hard slate. Some of them are gamblers but most seem to be non-gamblers, trying to feel good about themselves and their game. I think a lot of the woofing wouldn't even start if the winners were more careful about what they said after the match (to their opponent, other participants and their friends).

There are a few non-gamblers who don't brag about their game, who have MONSTER GAMES and would clean most gamblers' clocks.

When a banger beats me in a tournament, I have no problem with that. It happens everyday in tournaments around the world. When a banger beats me in a tournament then runs around bragging how he handed me my a** to his fellow bangers, I want to open up my wallet and give him the chance to do it again. If the banger or competitor simply takes the win for what it was and goes on about his business to play his best game, he will hear nothing from me.

Last night, a banger that I was giving one game on the wire and the eight ball in a race to SIX, had me 5-2. He was grimmacing on each and every shot that he missed and I realized how badly he wanted to win and I just watched and observed his self-talk and gesticulations. He winced and whined (to himself), berating himself not just for his bad shooting but his selection of shots, pattern and shape. It was a sight to behold and I felt sorry that he had so many demons attacking him at that moment in time and had trouble bearing down on him. I got back to 5-4 coasting along without any strong play on my part when he finally won at 6-4. He then commented to me, "Now I see why you have to give everybody weight. You are one tough guy". I guess he thought he was paying me a compliment because he really isn't what I would call a seasoned player; but it irked me, that he thought he had seen my best game and that he thought he had really beaten me. Since he doesn't gamble, I wouldn't belittle him by asking but the next time I see that guy in a tournament, you can believe I'll be looking to add a few more demons to his persona.
JoeyA
 
crawfish said:
Well I'm willing to bet that each and every one of you would be a lambkiller for $100 if given the opportunity. Scenario: If you're in a bar, lounge and a guy (that can't run three balls) is harrassing everyone about betting $100 a set and is woofing at EVERYONE, you guys know good and well you'll step up.
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LOL, reminds me of Vegas - practice room at APA team nationals. A young cocky kid would not shut up, and definitely didn't have the game to back up his talk. The best player on my team steps up to him, and asks what game and how much? The kid says 8ball, APA rules, race to 7 for $100....My buddy says, tell you what, just to make it interesting to me and most of the others here, I'll give you $500 if you win that race, but if I win I can hit you in the mouth as hard as I can! Everyone around us about fell outta their chairs. For some reason the kid took off to the mini-mania (little tourneys) room. :thumbup: He got a nice round of applause from the rest of the room.
 
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