Game situation - What would you do?

[Jude Rosenstock]

LOL if you had read my other posts I mentioned that since Snapshot said the stun wasn't available, I assumed it wasn't, and also how to setup on the RSB table can be decieving to the situation in real life. I am far from a new player, and have you tried my shot yet?

LOL, I'm not going to get into that new player/old player stuff. People make mistakes all the time. I know I do. We have the luxury of sitting at our computers and contemplating how we would play something for an entire week. In real life, you get a minute (at best). I don't think a player should be judged by one decision, right or wrong.

 

[Colin Colenso]

LOL if you had read my other posts I mentioned that since Snapshot said the stun wasn't available, I assumed it wasn't, and also how to setup on the RSB table can be decieving to the situation in real life. I am far from a new player, and have you tried my shot yet?

Yes, played it thousands of times...diagram below.

What you are trying to do is a common myth. When it works for you, it is simply because you pinched the pocket, cheated the angle.

If I want to hold out on the table as wide as possible, I will actually play that shot with RIGHT side, not LEFT side as your drew. Your left side throws the object ball further right making it harder to pinch the pocket.

With right side, I can turn the object ball to the left, so I can actually aim dead straight on the ball and hence bring the cue ball back straighter.

There is actually a cancelling out effect whereby the cue ball is also deviated slightly to the right, but I find this is a better way to hold maximum angle, you'll especially notice this with slow follow shots where you can run the cue ball through much straighter with some outside english used to turn the object ball.

So I think what you are trying to do is a mistake...but I'm not trying to have a pissing contest

 

[LastTwo]

Yes, played it thousands of times...diagram below.

What you are trying to do is a common myth. When it works for you, it is simply because you pinched the pocket, cheated the angle.

If I want to hold out on the table as wide as possible, I will actually play that shot with RIGHT side, not LEFT side as your drew. Your left side throws the object ball further right making it harder to pinch the pocket.

With right side, I can turn the object ball to the left, so I can actually aim dead straight on the ball and hence bring the cue ball back straighter.

There is actually a cancelling out effect whereby the cue ball is also deviated slightly to the right, but I find this is a better way to hold maximum angle, you'll especially notice this with slow follow shots where you can run the cue ball through much straighter with some outside english used to turn the object ball.

So I think what you are trying to do is a mistake...but I'm not trying to have a pissing contest

I was too lazy to use the curving lines in the diagram, but in my shot the cueball curves slightly to wind up at A. To accomplish the shot you are alightly cheating the pocket. Right side english won't get you there. I learned this shot from Ernesto Dominguez, would you like to dispute him? Here is the same shot and I will show how the cueball curves, even though it's very slight:

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No, it's not impossible, I am not full of shit. Did you try the shot like I asked?

Here is another example of what you can do with low inside:

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And here is yet another shot that I'm sure alot of people don't know can be done:

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As for the shot in my first diagram, it is not bullshit, I am not making it up, I just shot it a couple of times today because it was on my mind. And I am nowhere near a "new" player.

 

[Snapshot9]

To clarify a little more...

LastTwo ... Your diagram has 3-7 way too far apart. Like I said before,
really had about 1/16" to work with on making 3 straight in without
sliding it off long rail, but as hard as I had to shoot it, I did not trust
sliding it in, especially in hill to hill (all I needed to do was hang one up,
and I would be dogmeat). I had to put my 'extra-focus' eyes on for this
one, and zeroed in a spot on the object ball about the size of a . (period).

Another note to consider: Just making the 3 and banking the 4 was not
an option to me, because 4 was fairly close to long rail, and the natural
angle was too wide, so much so, I did not think I could shorten it up
enough to make back cross side (let alone trying to get shape on 5).
And the 5 would NOT go into corner where 8 is, 8 was blocking it, and
would not go into side pocket either.

Perhaps this will help a little - My opponent took $400 from Gabe (with
a spot no doubt, but he is good). And to top it off, he's a damn lefty,
you know, one of those natural stroke lefties you come across now and
then .... lol and he makes jump shots a chalk width's and a half.

I am a experienced player (43 years), have taken 9th in Vegas (VNEA),
and won KS. State BCA Championship 2 years ago, and Senior Championship
of Oklahoma City 2 yrs ago, and have done my share of money games over
the years.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I was too lazy to use the curving lines in the diagram, but in my shot the cueball curves slightly to wind up at A. To accomplish the shot you are alightly cheating the pocket. Right side english won't get you there. I learned this shot from Ernesto Dominguez, would you like to dispute him?

Sure, I'll dispute anybody if I have a reasonable argument. Personally I've never met a pro who had a deep understanding of billiard physics.

Here is the same shot and I will show how the cueball curves, even though it's very slight:

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No, it's not impossible, I am not full of shit. Did you try the shot like I asked?

I don't need to try the shot as I have hit all these shots in many experiments.

In your diagram, what you are showing is called nap-turn, which is usually insignificant on a no-nap worsted cloth. Are you playing on a nap cloth? If so, this curve is the right curve moving against the nap with that clockwise spin.

For more on how the nap works read my article here:
How the Nap Works!

Here is another example of what you can do with low inside:

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And here is yet another shot that I'm sure alot of people don't know can be done:

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As for the shot in my first diagram, it is not bullshit, I am not making it up, I just shot it a couple of times today because it was on my mind. And I am nowhere near a "new" player.

In these last two diagrams you actually have counter clockwise cue ball rotation swerving in the opposite direction of what it should moving down the nap as produced by the side english. Perhaps you meant to draw them traveling in the other direction against the nap, in which case that curve would be correct.

The curve you are drawing here is consistent with a verticle component of spin produced by by having draw on these two shots.

I'm not saying you are full of shit, I've no intention to be rude and I appreciate your efforts to convince me, but I think there is a lot of confusion with players regarding what is actually going on with the physical mechanics of billiards and what is causing what, leading to some erroneous conclusions.