Gareth Potts vs SVB.. who wins?

DAVE_M said:
Just curious.

This is all my opinion, just like you and Saku have your own opinions, but:

World Class has nothing to do with winning the World 9-ball Championships. I will agree with John, when he mentioned the US Open being a World Class event. It is and it always has been. Now that isn't to say that such events as the Japan Open or the World Championships are not World Class, but the point I'm trying to convey is that both of you are thinking like children fighting over who is right; You both think that the US is inferior in every way to everything European.

World Class is not what you two believe it is.

1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class figure skater.
1. ranked among the world's best; of the highest caliber: a world-class orchestra.

If you don't believe that Shane and the others are not World Class and you don't believe that such events as the US Open, USBTC, Derby City, and many others are not World Class, well then you need to deflate that big British ego with a pint of bitter and relax.

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This thread was originally started to ask what everyone's opinions were about if Shane and Potts played, what would happen. Then you two jumped in to say Potts would win it all, and that's fine. We will never see this match happen, because: A) It would be an exhibition B) Exhibition matches are not competition.
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Shane is a world class player, in my opinion.

I don't see any other American players as world class right now - there are players capable of playing at a world class level, capable of beating the best in the world on their day, but that alone does not make you world class to me. Lots of players can play great on their day.
 
SakuJack said:
Shane is a world class player, in my opinion.

I don't see any other American players as world class right now - there are players capable of playing at a world class level, capable of beating the best in the world on their day, but that alone does not make you world class to me. Lots of players can play great on their day.
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Sorry but you don't get to decide that Earl Strickland and Johnny Archer are not world class - those two have more world championships than any two players from any other country.

And any player who is CAPABLE of beating the world's best is AMONG the world's best even if they never won a title. World class speed isn't about titles. Titles only rank the world's best according to performance in certain events they don't exclude players from the best by virtue of non-inclusion. If Efren Reyes didn't play in a single tournament and dropped out of the rankings would he then not be a world class player?
 
As for Gareth Potts and SVB

If they played an all-around English Pool, Chinese 8 Ball, 10 Ball, 9 Ball, One Pocket, Banks, 14.1 and American Rotation then Shane wins in my opinion. And that's with giving each player 6 months to learn the other one's games.
 
JB Cases said:
Sorry but you don't get to decide that Earl Strickland and Johnny Archer are not world class - those two have more world championships than any two players from any other country.

And any player who is CAPABLE of beating the world's best is AMONG the world's best even if they never won a title. World class speed isn't about titles. Titles only rank the world's best according to performance in certain events they don't exclude players from the best by virtue of non-inclusion. If Efren Reyes didn't play in a single tournament and dropped out of the rankings would he then not be a world class player?
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lol, I get to decide whatever I please when it comes to rating players. As do you.

Now when you start to call players world class based on past achievements, it makes you look ridiculous.

Your reasoning is flawed. Club players are capable of beating the world's best. Anyone who can run out in pool is in with a shot on their day. That doesn't make you world class. World class players beat and compete with other elite players on a regular basis. World class players are a threat to win any event they enter. From the list you provided, (and including Shane as he has been mentioned already) only Shane is a genuinely world class player. The others are good, nothing more.
 
DAVE_M said:
Show me your list of World Class American Pool Players from the UK and I'll show you a list from America.
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I'll show you three from just Yorkshire if you like ;)

Karl Boyes ranked 4 in the world. World Champion
Darren Appleton ranked 7 in the world. World Champion
Chris Melling ranked number 8 in the world. World Champion

All ranked above SVB who has never won a world title ;)
 
JB Cases said:
If they played an all-around English Pool, Chinese 8 Ball, 10 Ball, 9 Ball, One Pocket, Banks, 14.1 and American Rotation then Shane wins in my opinion. And that's with giving each player 6 months to learn the other one's games.
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Well of course he will. It has obviously been weighted in his favour.

Sigh - we did all this one day one page one of this thread,,, :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
 
voiceofreason said:
I'll show you three from just Yorkshire if you like ;)

Karl Boyes ranked 4 in the world. World Champion
Darren Appleton ranked 7 in the world. World Champion
Chris Melling ranked number 8 in the world. World Champion

All ranked above SVB who has never won a world title ;)
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Shane has won the US Open twice which is a world title. Shane has also beaten all of the above named players and NONE of them dare to get in the box with him in a race to 100 ten ball.

Reminds me of the story of the old road hustler who was asked to fill out a bio and he refused. The promoter insisted and the road player said show me the one who won the most titles. The road player wrote above all the titles "I beat him".
 
voiceofreason said:
I'll show you three from just Yorkshire if you like ;)

Karl Boyes ranked 4 in the world. World Champion
Darren Appleton ranked 7 in the world. World Champion
Chris Melling ranked number 8 in the world. World Champion

All ranked above SVB who has never won a world title ;)
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You picked three. To be fair, I'll pick three.

Shane Van Boening
Earl Strickland
Johnny Archer

Go ask Karl Boyes, Darren Appleton, and Chris Melling if they think those three are world class players and I'd bet they say yes. Unlike you, the three from your list have respect for the three from my list.
 
DAVE_M said:
You picked three. To be fair, I'll pick three.

Shane Van Boening
Earl Strickland
Johnny Archer

Go ask Karl Boyes, Darren Appleton, and Chris Melling if they think those three are world class players and I'd bet they say yes. Unlike you, the three from your list have respect for the three from my list.
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We are already in agreement on SVB (sigh).

On the other two, yes, professional pool players will always be respectful of each other in public. Privately, I bet all three of the Yorkshire players would love to lock either Archer or Strickland in a room and rob them blind of as much cash as they could get hold of.

And some more..

And some more..

I'd bet they would still love to have either one in a world event draw too.
 
voiceofreason said:
We are already in agreement on SVB (sigh).

On the other two, yes, professional pool players will always be respectful of each other in public. Privately, I bet all three of the Yorkshire players would love to lock either Archer or Strickland in a room and rob them blind of as much cash as they could get hold of.

And some more..

And some more..

I'd bet they would still love to have either one in a world event draw too.
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Don't stray from the subject, bub. I didn't say anything about gambling. We're talking World Class here, remember? :rolleyes:
 
JB Cases said:
Shane has won the US Open twice which is a world title.
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lol... again.

JB Cases said:
Shane has also beaten all of the above named players and NONE of them dare to get in the box with him in a race to 100 ten ball.
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Since when did a race to 100 ten ball become the standardised test for being the better player? It's such a tired argument, played out on here day after day.
 
SakuJack said:
lol... again.



Since when did a race to 100 ten ball become the standardised test for being the better player? It's such a tired argument, played out on here day after day.
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Since pool players around the world use long races to test themselves against each other. Every player wants to win events but all of them know that the true test of one player vs. another player is a long race where the rolls become irrelevant.

All the players you named Boyes, Melling and Appleton love to gamble and yet they won't touch Shane.

And again the US Open is a word class event and a world title. Sorry if you don't think so but the best of the best show up to it and Shane has won twice, Strickland won five times, Sigel won four times, Varner won twice, and well more Americans have won it over the 30 year history.

The players consider it a huge achievement to win the US Open. ALL OF THEM.
 
TheThaiger said:
Isn't that pretty much the definition of what is world class? :confused:
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No. It's not. World class is a standard of performance. A ranking list only serves to rank the performance of the world class participants in CERTAIN events. Just because a player isn't on the rank list doesn't mean they are not a world class player it only means that they didn't participate in any or many of of the events.

World class means being able to legitimately compete at that level.

There are many players without world titles who can compete on that level.
 
JB Cases said:
Since pool players around the world use long races to test themselves against each other. Every player wants to win events but all of them know that the true test of one player vs. another player is a long race where the rolls become irrelevant.

All the players you named Boyes, Melling and Appleton love to gamble and yet they won't touch Shane.

And again the US Open is a word class event and a world title. Sorry if you don't think so but the best of the best show up to it and Shane has won twice, Strickland won five times, Sigel won four times, Varner won twice, and well more Americans have won it over the 30 year history.

The players consider it a huge achievement to win the US Open. ALL OF THEM.
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Yeah, and every single Premier League footballer has dreamt of winning the FA cup since they were 4 years old, even those born in the middle of Africa. :rolleyes:

Except they'd ALL swap ten FA cups for even a sniff at a Champions League medal, and sell their grannies' to boot.

When there was nothing else, the FA cup was the biggest prize.
 
JB Cases said:
Since pool players around the world use long races to test themselves against each other. Every player wants to win events but all of them know that the true test of one player vs. another player is a long race where the rolls become irrelevant.

All the players you named Boyes, Melling and Appleton love to gamble and yet they won't touch Shane.

And again the US Open is a word class event and a world title. Sorry if you don't think so but the best of the best show up to it and Shane has won twice, Strickland won five times, Sigel won four times, Varner won twice, and well more Americans have won it over the 30 year history.

The players consider it a huge achievement to win the US Open. ALL OF THEM.
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1. Shane has won the Open 3 times

2. To say the best of the best show up is simply false. Sure, the field has some really great players, but not all the best players show up. For proof of this, just look at last year. Corteza was the lone Filipino (made it to the finals), and there plenty of other heavy hitters missing. You can also look at the bracket, and see that Shane didn't have much competition until his last 2 matches against Shaw and Corteza.
 
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