Gary Abood can shoot

Lemonaiding, and stealing from a "C" tourny is a crappy thing to do no matter how you look at it. Trying to justify it as a "road guy" trying to make a buck is also BULL.

On the other hand, the tourny director should at least go on local knowledge, or trusted knowledge of another player to guage the speed of an unknown player entering a tournamnet. If you can't verify his speed, appologize and reject the entry. I can see no other way around it.

Gerry
 
leaseman said:
So, this guy came into my poolroom and hid his speed and won one of my "C" tournaments. I had added $1000 of my own money to the pool. So it is ok for him to take advantage of people that trusted him for his playing speed. Ruin his action folk, because guys like this will steal the gold from your teeth when you are taking a nap.

Bob Campbell

I'm sorry, but are you a wrecker driver? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
 
I take it ...

That the tournament we are talking about was not handicapped?
Usually an unknown player in a handicapped tournament has to play
as the highest handicap to play. I have judged many a player for
tournaments, and I can tell his speed even if he doesn't want me to,
but I have played 44 years with a lot of experience under my belt.
 
Has anyone heard of the term "Dead Money". This is a term used in Poker where there is a field of players who just does not have a chance of winning against the pro. They just donate to the prize money. Every one in a poker tournament plays even. Granted there is more luck involved but if you think you have a fair chance against guys like Daniel Negraneau, Phil Ivey, or Chip Reese than you are dreaming.

Such is the case in pool tournaments. You pay a small amount compared to the prize with the hope of making a bigger pay day. You get odds on the money. The real prize is getting to play a great player cheap. Then when you match up one on one you can make spot adjustments.

A guy like Abood eventually will have to get off the road as he gets more well known and ages. Buddy teaches and Nick V sells cues. Abood will have a tough row to how. I think he will have to take advantage against weaker players in tournaments. I personally think his game is great but because of the nature how this business works he never appealed to me as a person.
 
Abood

yobagua said:
Has anyone heard of the term "Dead Money". This is a term used in Poker where there is a field of players who just does not have a chance of winning against the pro. They just donate to the prize money. Every one in a poker tournament plays even. Granted there is more luck involved but if you think you have a fair chance against guys like Daniel Negraneau, Phil Ivey, or Chip Reese than you are dreaming.

Such is the case in pool tournaments. You pay a small amount compared to the prize with the hope of making a bigger pay day. You get odds on the money. The real prize is getting to play a great player cheap. Then when you match up one on one you can make spot adjustments.

A guy like Abood eventually will have to get off the road as he gets more well known and ages. Buddy teaches and Nick V sells cues. Abood will have a tough row to how. I think he will have to take advantage against weaker players in tournaments. I personally think his game is great but because of the nature how this business works he never appealed to me as a person.
I haven't seen him play in a while, but unless he has made a tremendous jump in the past couple of years, I don't think you can compare him to Buddy or Nick, or dozens of other A+ players, or even the very good young guns. He is a very good player who matches up with the best of it which always makes your game look better. I watched him play in LA years ago & again in the Bay area a few years later, but the top players I knew were way ahead of his speed at his age and experience. From reading these posts, it seems he is a moneymaker, and that is good, but it looks like he is also something of a lambkiller. If he gets to Sacramento, I'd like to see him match up with Chohan or Amar and would bet on it (and might play a little one pocket myself). John Henderson
 
jrhendy said:
I haven't seen him play in a while, but unless he has made a tremendous jump in the past couple of years, I don't think you can compare him to Buddy or Nick, or dozens of other A+ players, or even the very good young guns. He is a very good player who matches up with the best of it which always makes your game look better. I watched him play in LA years ago & again in the Bay area a few years later, but the top players I knew were way ahead of his speed at his age and experience. From reading these posts, it seems he is a moneymaker, and that is good, but it looks like he is also something of a lambkiller. If he gets to Sacramento, I'd like to see him match up with Chohan or Amar and would bet on it (and might play a little one pocket myself). John Henderson

Although he hustles at times he has been known to match up with the best of them for big bucks. My understanding was when he was working in a room in Louisiana he played every road player that came through the door and sometimes he had the best of it and sometimes he didn't but he has a lot of heart in a lot of circumstances. I know he dropped about 20G in Vegas a few years back playing heads up against a very tough opponent.

As far as Chohan and Amar he would probably match up with either of them but he would want a little weight but if he got 2 games to 9 from either of them he would be the favorite in 9 ball. Chohan could probably give him 10-8 in one-pocket and it would be a fair game and probably 9-8 from Amar.

He is definitely an action player and if he dropped the weird hustles I think he would be better off.

Wayne
 
Didnt mean to equate Abood with Nick and Buddy but in their early days of road hustling. Many many years ago. My point was that any good road player is eventually going to have to turn pro or look for other kind of work.

Hey Wayne I noticed that Palmer, Chohan, and Amar have been sulking around the LA scene giving up a lot of weight. Have you matched up yet? Missed seeing you in action.
 
yobagua said:
Didnt mean to equate Abood with Nick and Buddy but in their early days of road hustling. Many many years ago. My point was that any good road player is eventually going to have to turn pro or look for other kind of work.

Hey Wayne I noticed that Palmer, Chohan, and Amar have been sulking around the LA scene giving up a lot of weight. Have you matched up yet? Missed seeing you in action.

Unfortunately, I have been out of action and will be for awhile because a couple of people at my business bailed and I actually have to work (lol), too bad it occurred with all the action and some good tournaments happening. My only other problem with Palmer, Chohan and Amar is none of them will give me any weight.

Wayne
 
Snapshot9 said:
That the tournament we are talking about was not handicapped?
Usually an unknown player in a handicapped tournament has to play
as the highest handicap to play. I have judged many a player for
tournaments, and I can tell his speed even if he doesn't want me to,
but I have played 44 years with a lot of experience under my belt.

Scott you've been saying that you've been playing for 44 years since over a year ago, it's probably 45 or 46 now. :D
 
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