George San Souci IPT walkoff?
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Growing pains
Lots of these guys trying to survive by playing pool will undergo severe growing pains to become a true professional of the sport. The IPT with its requirements have set the stage for all the road players, hustlers, and players to actually become professional, not only in their play, but also in their sportsmanship and manners.
All good Pool players have an ego, some greater than their talent for the game, and many players will get a rude awakening down the line that they can no longer get away with what they have in the past in Po-dunk city because as an IPT member they are expected to behave otherwise, plus the internet plays a part, since so many people have become aware of who the players are, their pictures, and they are becoming more of a public figure. Where they could be a prima donna sometimes, they will not be able to do that in the future because the future of Pool is in the process of changing, and for the better, I might add.
Lots of these guys trying to survive by playing pool will undergo severe growing pains to become a true professional of the sport. The IPT with its requirements have set the stage for all the road players, hustlers, and players to actually become professional, not only in their play, but also in their sportsmanship and manners.
All good Pool players have an ego, some greater than their talent for the game, and many players will get a rude awakening down the line that they can no longer get away with what they have in the past in Po-dunk city because as an IPT member they are expected to behave otherwise, plus the internet plays a part, since so many people have become aware of who the players are, their pictures, and they are becoming more of a public figure. Where they could be a prima donna sometimes, they will not be able to do that in the future because the future of Pool is in the process of changing, and for the better, I might add.
bandido said:
AMEN!!!
I say if you walk out once your cash total drops to that of the PREVIOUS ROUND(In this case $2000 instead of $5000). Do it twice and you are out of the IPT. Lots of players itching to get their foot in the door. Too much money being paid out. Clock in and do your job.
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Scott,Snapshot9 said:
I cannot believe reading all the excuses, justification and all the bend over systems, for this unprofessional action, posted in this thread. It was irresponsible and a betrayal of trust of the organization, his fellow players, the enthuusiasts and aspirants. His attitude adjustment should've started when he attended the first meeting and signed the contract.
This Organization, everybody that's a part of it, what it represents and want to achieve is being watched from all over the world. His action reflects badly to everything mentioned.
SlimShafty said:
cuechick said:
sniper said:
You guys/gals are real sharp. I mean hey, you came to these conclusions from what you read in that email, right? I guess the reason(which none of us knows) doesn't matter? I sure hope if I'm ever on trial for anything that you all aren't on my jury.
I think we should at least know all the facts before we recommend taking away a persons oppurtunity to earn a living. I'm not defending Ginky's position(I don't know it yet), but he has the right to be heard before you guys lynch him. They released that email in a short time frame following him not showing for his match. From the sounds of the email I would guess that they don't know why he left either. There could be a perfectly legitimate reason for him leaving.
I would be very disappointed if it comes out that Ginky just blew off his last match but I'm not willing to assume it without hearing what he has to say. You all shouldn't either.
George
The reasons are the facts presented.George said:
Nobody wants to take away a persons opportunity to make a living, he himself is responsible for this as his action showed that he didn't care for the opportunity given him.George said:
That's where the problem stemmed from. He didn't give the immediately concerned people the opportunity to listen to his reason for such action.George said:
Exactly! He should have told them the legitimate reason before he took action.George said:
The facts presented were:George said:I would be very disappointed if it comes out that Ginky just blew off his last match but I'm not willing to assume it without hearing what he has to say. You all shouldn't either.
1. He didn't show up for a scheduled match. And, according to a poster here, was even a televised match. So that caused IPT embarassment and some video sales revenue.
2. IPT issueing that e-mail just shows that it is a fact that he didn't have the courtesy to inform the organization, in whatever possible means, the action that he was going to take and the reason for it.
Wouldn't you agree that the above 2 enumerated are facts? It doesn't matter if its Ginky or Efren, they are bound by their agreement with the organization so they have to fulfill their end of the bargain. Had he a legitimate reason and acted appropriately then there won't be a problem but instead will have an outpouring of symphaty and assistance offered by a lot of "people here".
George[/QUOTE]
official response
From the front page of AZBilliards:
Yesterday, George San Souci walked off the playing floor after a loss. He never showed up to play his final match of the day resulting in a forfeit. Not completing a bracket, even if you are statistically out of the tournament is considered unsportsmanlike conduct. The IPT has strict rules, and this situation could have meant a tour card suspension or loss for San Souci. Today, Deno Andrews called San Souci by telephone to ask about his reason for not completing his scheduled match. The telephone call woke up San Souci, who had been sleeping all day as a result of being very ill. San Souci apologized profusely for not completing his scheduled match and insists that he asked hotel staff to get a message to Tournament Director Lindsay Erazo that he was ill and couldn't complete his remaining match. After some investigation, Andrews determined that San Souci was indeed very ill, and has been for a couple of days. The IPT issued San Souci a warning. San Souci later apologized to Erazo and explained that he wanted to play the match for his statistics, which were hurt badly, but that he was too sick to do so.
From the front page of AZBilliards:
Yesterday, George San Souci walked off the playing floor after a loss. He never showed up to play his final match of the day resulting in a forfeit. Not completing a bracket, even if you are statistically out of the tournament is considered unsportsmanlike conduct. The IPT has strict rules, and this situation could have meant a tour card suspension or loss for San Souci. Today, Deno Andrews called San Souci by telephone to ask about his reason for not completing his scheduled match. The telephone call woke up San Souci, who had been sleeping all day as a result of being very ill. San Souci apologized profusely for not completing his scheduled match and insists that he asked hotel staff to get a message to Tournament Director Lindsay Erazo that he was ill and couldn't complete his remaining match. After some investigation, Andrews determined that San Souci was indeed very ill, and has been for a couple of days. The IPT issued San Souci a warning. San Souci later apologized to Erazo and explained that he wanted to play the match for his statistics, which were hurt badly, but that he was too sick to do so.
Well, I am glad to hear it (not that he was sick but that he had a legit reason) and I have to say I do know Ginky a little and it did seem out of character. He like many players almost gave up this game cause he could not support his family. (Jam I think Casey is his "Lady" you referring too?) So I know this opportunity meant a lot to him.
One of my favorite and most inspiring stories is about him, I think it was from an article about him in the Voice. Pool did not come naturally to him but he was determined. He spent hour upon hour in the basement at Chelsea with books practicing and teaching himself the game.
I found that very inspirational and does not sound like someone who would give up with out reason.
One of my favorite and most inspiring stories is about him, I think it was from an article about him in the Voice. Pool did not come naturally to him but he was determined. He spent hour upon hour in the basement at Chelsea with books practicing and teaching himself the game.
I found that very inspirational and does not sound like someone who would give up with out reason.
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I am happy to hear the excuse was valid.
But you do not ask hotel staff to get the message out.
You do it yourself.
But you do not ask hotel staff to get the message out.
You do it yourself.
BazookaJoe said:
Or have your pregnant significant other do it.
I had a feeling there was a legit reason for his absence. Not that I know the guy or anything - it's usually the simple, uncomplicated answer that is the truth. It's waaaay too easy for a bunch of folks on an web forum to start down that slippery path of "OMG! Drama!".
I've known Ginky since he started playing pool at Chelsea Billiards. He was about 17 or 18 then, but looked 14. Early on, it was clear he had talent, but he also had a burning passion to learn. My dear late friend, George Mikula, worked with Ginky when it became clear how dedicated he was. I was always impressed with Ginky's manners and character.
In any case, in a very short time, maybe two years, Ginky went from beginner to one of the top players in NYC. And despite the trappings of gambling, drugs and NYC other temptations, Ginky retained the good character I'd first seen in him.
So when I first read the report of him walking away from a match, it didn't make sense. That was not the Ginky I knew. I'm glad to hear he did try to notify the IPT officials, and that he did in fact have good reason for not completing his match.
Good luck in the future, Ginky. I know George is rooting for you.
In any case, in a very short time, maybe two years, Ginky went from beginner to one of the top players in NYC. And despite the trappings of gambling, drugs and NYC other temptations, Ginky retained the good character I'd first seen in him.
So when I first read the report of him walking away from a match, it didn't make sense. That was not the Ginky I knew. I'm glad to hear he did try to notify the IPT officials, and that he did in fact have good reason for not completing his match.
Good luck in the future, Ginky. I know George is rooting for you.
Hey Cuechick... Ginky hasn't been with Casey for about 5 years, maybe more.
You need to come back to NY once in a while!
Take care,
Steve
You need to come back to NY once in a while!
Take care,
Steve
I guess I am out of touch, esp since I have not been out of NYC five
years...
I have to say I don't miss the city at all but I did miss the pool scene but it has changed so much, eps with Corner closing that what I miss, isn't even there anymore.
I am lucky too, Atlanta is a great city for pool!
years...
I have to say I don't miss the city at all but I did miss the pool scene but it has changed so much, eps with Corner closing that what I miss, isn't even there anymore.
I am lucky too, Atlanta is a great city for pool!
this was in an update from the IPT:
Yesterday, George San Souci walked off the playing floor after a loss. He never showed up to play his final match of the day resulting in a forfeit. Not completing a bracket, even if you are statistically out of the tournament is considered unsportsmanlike conduct. The IPT has strict rules, and this situation could have meant a tour card suspension or loss for San Souci. Today, Deno Andrews called San Souci by telephone to ask about his reason for not completing his scheduled match. The telephone call woke up San Souci, who had been sleeping all day as a result of being very ill. San Souci apologized profusely for not completing his scheduled match and insists that he asked hotel staff to get a message to Tournament Director Lindsay Erazo that he was ill and couldn't complete his remaining match. After some investigation, Andrews determined that San Souci was indeed very ill, and has been for a couple of days. The IPT issued San Souci a warning. San Souci later apologized to Erazo and explained that he wanted to play the match for his statistics, which were hurt badly, but that he was too sick to do so. To read the official IPT Rules, visit www.internationalpooltour.com.
Yesterday, George San Souci walked off the playing floor after a loss. He never showed up to play his final match of the day resulting in a forfeit. Not completing a bracket, even if you are statistically out of the tournament is considered unsportsmanlike conduct. The IPT has strict rules, and this situation could have meant a tour card suspension or loss for San Souci. Today, Deno Andrews called San Souci by telephone to ask about his reason for not completing his scheduled match. The telephone call woke up San Souci, who had been sleeping all day as a result of being very ill. San Souci apologized profusely for not completing his scheduled match and insists that he asked hotel staff to get a message to Tournament Director Lindsay Erazo that he was ill and couldn't complete his remaining match. After some investigation, Andrews determined that San Souci was indeed very ill, and has been for a couple of days. The IPT issued San Souci a warning. San Souci later apologized to Erazo and explained that he wanted to play the match for his statistics, which were hurt badly, but that he was too sick to do so. To read the official IPT Rules, visit www.internationalpooltour.com.
breakup said:
And it's absolutely nothing like the update at the top of this very page.
BazookaJoe said:And it's absolutely nothing like the update at the top of this very page.
I went back and looked and
the first one is from July, 25 11:52 PM
and the second one is July, 27 2:47 AM
looks like they had some time and more information to give a more detailed report
I hope all you Fukkers feel good about yourself for bashing Ginky without knowing all the info on why he wasnt able to show up.
All you guys heard was he up n left and was never heard from again and go on and bash him about how he isnt professional and this n that.
I mean WTF. How would you guys have felt if he was in a bad car accident and died? and here you assholes are bashing him.
And yea what IF his Wife did go into labor or had to goto the hospital?
But yea he is just such a un-professional pool player.
I bet it would have been better if he crawled outa bed, and puked all over the table. While trying to continue to play out his last match.
All you guys heard was he up n left and was never heard from again and go on and bash him about how he isnt professional and this n that.
I mean WTF. How would you guys have felt if he was in a bad car accident and died? and here you assholes are bashing him.
And yea what IF his Wife did go into labor or had to goto the hospital?
But yea he is just such a un-professional pool player.
I bet it would have been better if he crawled outa bed, and puked all over the table. While trying to continue to play out his last match.
Athena SanSouci
Registered
thanks to everyone who supported ginky and understood why he had to forfiet.. if you would like look at a thread posted by poolman1234 "SanSouci has BAD LUCK" well he explained everything.. better than i can put it. hes a very sweet man and i felt i needed to write to everyone letting them know that my pregnancy is going fine and so is my husband george. he just recovered from enterotoxins (severe case of food poisoning)
Athena SanSouci said:
Athena,
I've "been there, done that" with the food poisoning, so I know what he was going thru! I had to forfiet out of the finals of the BCA Grand Masters event two years ago and had everyone scratching their heads. To date, in over 25 years of playing, it is the only the second match I've ever had to forfeit (the first due to my daugther being injured). We are all glad to get an explanation, although those who know Ginky felt certain that there was a good explanation.
Good luck to you and George not only in your pregnancy, but in life.
Tammie Jones