Get out from here......(champions only)
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OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
200 A Day?
MAN YOU "BACK-OUT" OF MORE GAMES THAN I EVEN HEAR ABOUT HERE AT THE OLD FOLKS HOME.
AS I SAID - LOOK BEHIND YOU!
TY, GL & GOODBY
gromulan said:
MAN YOU "BACK-OUT" OF MORE GAMES THAN I EVEN HEAR ABOUT HERE AT THE OLD FOLKS HOME.
AS I SAID - LOOK BEHIND YOU!
TY, GL & GOODBY
Derby City ClassicSnapshot9 said:
Tracy
OHB,OldHasBeen said:
Please clarify. Is the one frozen on the rail? If so, doesn't a ball have to go to another rail after contact on a kick?
Tracy
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Ask The "Back-Door" Man !
Thats not my problem - Ask him - It's his shot!
RSB-Refugee said:
Thats not my problem - Ask him - It's his shot!
vapoolplayer said:
I'm a little late and a day short. LOL I knew the answer, you can even jump the cue and still draw back for position on the two in the upper right pocket. I've played and practiced this shot many times. Your angle looks a bit off but if there is even a hair of angle or create a small one to use the left side of the pocket it works. Good shot.
Rod
OK.OldHasBeen said:
Tracy
Same question to Gromulan and everyone except OHB.RSB-Refugee said:
If the one and six are both frozen to the rail, what do you think are the odds of getting a good hit by going three or four rails at it? I'm not sure, but I don't think the chances are very good. Tracy
OldHasBeen said:
Well just to clarify, I started off saying I'd lay 7-5 that I would not give up ball in hand. Then I said I'd take 2-1 to hit it 10 in a row and 20-1 to hit it 100 in a row. Somehow you interpreted that as though the wager was that we'd play the game from there. So either you were mistaken in my offer or you're playing on my various posts to get the best of a bet. Which is it?
I did mention that I had lucked in a ball and run out from a similar position once, but not that I'd bet on it. Lay me 50-1 on 50 tries and I will, though.
OK, I tried it a few times. The 'good hit' was easier than I thought it would be. Once I got to hitting it right. By easier than I thought, I mean probably 30%. Of the ones that were good, none were what would be considered a good leave. I remembered that the diagram had the cueball just a little off the rail. I tried this,RSB-Refugee said:Same question to Gromulan and everyone except OHB.
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It was actually, a much easier hit and almost always a better leave. When I got home and looked at the diagrams again, I discovered why no one suggested it. It seems now that the seven might be a little hard to get by.
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Bottom line, Gromulans shot is a little bit easier than I thought. It's not a great option, but it is probably the best Hail Mary plan possible. If it weren't for that darn seven, I would suggest the two rail kick. It seems to be a lot more forgiving. It is an easier hit and yeilds tougher leaves more often.
So what it all boils down to is, I was wrong. Nice call, Gromulan
Tracy
Rodd said:
you're right rod. i didn't realize it until i shot it, i was just trying to get over the 3 ball, and figured i'd at least have a safety on the two. but i hit it pretty good and after the ball landed it drew back and rolled down just enough past the 9 for a shot.
VAP
vapoolplayer said:
I'd much rather try to draw into the backside of the 8, sending the cueball up near the 2, or I'd try Jude's masse shot. The jump shot you described is a great shot, but the percentages are too low for me to attempt. You have to hit it pretty hard to get the cue ball to jump a full ball over the 3, and you have a high risk of either the 1 flying off the table or the cueball. Drawing into the backside of the 8 how you are supposed to play it.
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LastTwo said:
actually you don't have to hit the ball hard at all. set it up and try it. you don't have to elavate the cue that much and the cue ball takes off pretty quick.
like i said, i was with a pretty well known pro at the time, and he even said it was the only way to play the ball with a realistic shot of getting out.
the angle is off in the wei table(hard to get everything right) but you couldn't draw into the side of the 8, the best you could do was run into the face of the 8.
thanks
VAP
OldHasBeen said:
Me, too. Even though I'm not a lock to win the rack, I reckon I'll win 70-75% with the safety.
The runout, though possible in at least two different ways, is too low percentage and you chance a very bad result by playing the one.
The title of the thread should have been "get out from here....non-champions only" because the real champions would play safe here.
Snapshot9 said:
You need to copy all the text between (and including the words) START and END, and then paste them at the following link.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/9egg/
The easiest way is to open up a new window in your browser. Go to the link (maybe bookmark it for future use) and then hit the red paste button.
Rick
RichardCranium said:If the one is frozen, its definatly a sell out probably 9 times out of 10...If its not frozen and someone who really knows how to kick is hitting the shot my guess is it would be a sell out about 8 out of 10 times...Even IF they hit it and leave no pocket to shoot at....they are probably going to return to the table with a even tougher hit.....
The hit is actually not that hard...its the leave thats the hard part....
If it were my last dollar to bet...I would have to bet against the person that is making the kick ending up the winner of the game....(I am pretty sure thats obvious....I think egos are getting in the way of the rest of the discussion)
(note that this discussion is regarding hitting the 1 after the safety, which of course is off topic as this thread is about how to run out ... too bad ...)
After saying the 3 rail hit is quite easy, I set it up last night and hit it without any difficulty. As mentioned, this is a standard 2 rail kick to a point on the long rail where a 1 rail kick to the 1-ball is virtually assured. The 1 ball and cue ball ended up fairly safe, on opposite long rails nicely between the side and corner. No ball in hand for the opponent this time OHB. I only tried this once ... the way I figure it you are only allowed to try a shot once in a match, and the 'difficulty' goes down as you repeatedly tune in a kick.
Generally speaking I would also bet on the player not having the kick. While the kick is quite straightforward, I believe the opponent should have the upper hand almost every time, as DickH mentioned (I banked in the 1 after my 'successful' kick ... ah well).
Dave