Get out from here......(champions only)

[vapoolplayer]

i didn't get out on this layout, i had to play safe on the 4 ball. i did get out a couple times practicing this layout later. its a very difficult out, and i think even alot of pro players would play safe on the 4, as its hard to get perfect on it. speed is crucial in this layout.

so champions........how would YOU get out from here????

VAP

 

[OldHasBeen]

I - an OldHasBeen (no Champ) would.......

i didn't get out on this layout, i had to play safe on the 4 ball. i did get out a couple times practicing this layout later. its a very difficult out, and i think even alot of pro players would play safe on the 4, as its hard to get perfect on it. speed is crucial in this layout.

so champions........how would YOU get out from here????

VAP

It looks to me that if you can draw off the one and get the proper angle to get the proper angle on the 3 - you could break out the 4. If the break out doesen't work, you could/should play safe from there. I HOPE YOUR TALKING ABOUT 9-BALL - Becouse if your talking 1 hole, GOOD LUCK!
Thanks, to Shorty - I can now access the Wei table, AT WILL.

TY & GL

 

[vapoolplayer]

I am no champion...but I can't resist....I think that the whole key to this rack is actually position on the 3 ball.....I would probably play for a position on the three that allows me to miss the 6 into the short rail and play for a angle into the 8-ball... nudge it out of the way...and I don't see any danger of not coming up with a shot on the 4....the rest of the rack looks pretty simple...

But again...I don't think the 4-ball is the key ball...I think position on the 3 is the key to the whole rack.....JMAO

how would you get to the two ball from there??? i might have the wrong angle, but you CANNOT draw into postion, the 4 and 8 are in the way.

VAP

 

[Eric.]

i didn't get out on this layout, i had to play safe on the 4 ball. i did get out a couple times practicing this layout later. its a very difficult out, and i think even alot of pro players would play safe on the 4, as its hard to get perfect on it. speed is crucial in this layout.

so champions........how would YOU get out from here????

VAP

I don't qualify as a Champion but I have played more than 40 hours a week for 1 year (teasing, LouN)

For me, this rack is all about how well I got on the 3. I would play the 1 ball with draw/cheat the pocket, sending the CB straight up the middle of the table to try to get a good angle on the 2, play the 2 into the upper corner and try to get an angle on the 3 to cut it in, CB off the long rail, bounce back to the opposite long rail to try to shoot underneath the 8 to make the 4 into the corner. Obviously, there is the risk of getting hooked by the 8. Also, if I came up short for the angle on the 3, I would play safe, banking the 3 off the long rail, to leave it by the 6 and hopefully, have the cb on the other side of the 6.

Anyone else?


Eric

 

[Snapshot9]

The key ...

The key to me is the shape you get on the 2 ball. Having the right angle for
the 2 will allow you to get the 'right' shpae for the 3. With the right shape for the 3, the 4 shouldn't be that tough. Besides with the right shape for the 3,
you could always bump the 4 out for a shot at another pocket, or bump the
8 out of the way.

The right angle for the 2 ball is the hardest shot on the table for the run out.
It allows you to optimize shape for the 3.

I think I could get out.

 

[vapoolplayer]

The key to me is the shape you get on the 2 ball. Having the right angle for
the 2 will allow you to get the 'right' shpae for the 3. With the right shape for the 3, the 4 shouldn't be that tough. Besides with the right shape for the 3,
you could always bump the 4 out for a shot at another pocket, or bump the
8 out of the way.

The right angle for the 2 ball is the hardest shot on the table for the run out.
It allows you to optimize shape for the 3.

I think I could get out.

getting warmer..........so.........how do you get to the 2?

 

[gromulan]

The way I see it the key to the rack is the 4 5 6 transition. making the 4 is one thing, getting on the five with a good angle to get on the six is another (the nine is occupying valuable real estate, as is the 8). I would probably look to go one rail from the 1 to the 2, looking to get to roughly the center of the table for the 3. From there I would either go one rail to the 4 or two rails around it.

I really want to be inside the straight in line on the 4 to move forward off the end rail for position on the five so I can draw down table to the six - if I play to the outside there's too strong a chance of landing straight (which woulnd't be that bad) or getting hooked by the eight. I'm looking to avoid going around the nine here if possible because of the eight's position. Land on the six with some angle and you're out.

That would be my plan, but of course as with all my plans for any rack, I'll probably make several changes before I'm finished with the rack.

 

[OldHasBeen]

As it looks...............

how would you get to the two ball from there??? i might have the wrong angle, but you CANNOT draw into postion, the 4 and 8 are in the way.

VAP

It looks to me like there is a slight angle off the one. If so, you could either draw back & miss the eight with low left and come just off the rail below the side OR, If the Cue Ball HAS to hit the 3, you could power draw through the 3 and on up the table.

TY & GL

 

[drivermaker]

how would you get to the two ball from there??? i might have the wrong angle, but you CANNOT draw into postion, the 4 and 8 are in the way.

VAP

These layouts are hard to determine on a screen because you don't know if the angle or distance between balls was set up correctly.

From the way it looks, maybe the way you played it was to cut the 1, putting just a little spin on the CB to carom off the 3 to get position on the 2 and either nudging the 3 to the long rail or whacking it a little harder so it banked one rail to be played in the corner on the same side as the 4. I never can tell from these Wei table thingies and could be way off base. So....what did you do?

 

[OldHasBeen]

For large $ or major tourney, I would........

For large $ or major tourney, I would softly hit the one with middle left so as to have the one come down to the bottom rail. The cue ball would hit the 6 and land right next to it. All 3 balls would, should, & could end up on the bottom rail and this safty will get you "Ball In Hand".

TY & GL

 

[crawdaddio]

Don't get out. Play safe on the one, STICK the cb to the back of the six, get ball in hand, run out.

So, what did YOU do, VAP?

~DC

 

[vapoolplayer]

These layouts are hard to determine on a screen because you don't know if the angle or distance between balls was set up correctly.

From the way it looks, maybe the way you played it was to cut the 1, putting just a little spin on the CB to carom off the 3 to get position on the 2 and either nudging the 3 to the long rail or whacking it a little harder so it banked one rail to be played in the corner on the same side as the 4. I never can tell from these Wei table thingies and could be way off base. So....what did you do?

ok, the angle is hard to see on the wei table. you couldn't draw back, or nudge the 3 ball.

you could play safe on the one, that was my first thought. but then i saw another shot. you just jack up a little, make the one, and jump over the 3 ball. this brings you down past the 9 for good shape on the 2.

from the 2, i used about half a tip of high running spin. i wanted to come more than halfway up the table, but i come up short a little past center table.

the first time i played the 3, i spun it in with low outside spin and tried to hold it for the four, didn't work out, and hand to play safe.

when i practiced it, i used the 6 ball to slow the cue down. i used follow on the 3 bumped the 6 and got almost straight in on the 4 down in the corner under the 5.......from there, it was pretty much routine.

at the time, i was shooting with a very well known pro, and we took turns shooting the 3 to the 4 ball shot.

we both ended up like either shooting the 3 with alot of low outside and holding the cue, or bumping the 6.

everytime we tried hitting the 4 or the 8 we ended up playing safe.

DM is right.......the angles are very hard to determine ont the wei table. but the only way to get on the two was to JUMP over the three.

thanks

VAP

 

[gromulan]

For large $ or major tourney, I would softly hit the one with middle left so as to have the one come down to the bottom rail. The cue ball would hit the 6 and land right next to it. All 3 balls would, should, & could end up on the bottom rail and this safty will get you "Ball In Hand".

TY & GL

Not against me it won't!

 

[OldHasBeen]

"OH REALLY" !

Not against me it won't!

Forget about all the other balls except the cue, 6 & 1.
What are you going to do from there ?

TY & GL

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[Jude Rosenstock]

I'd masse from the 1 to the 2. Once I'm on the two, it's fairly routine.

 

[Hal]

I'm no Champion, but I would try this:
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[gromulan]

Forget about all the other balls except the cue, 6 & 1.
What are you going to do from there ?

TY & GL

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Please!! I mean, give me a hard one...

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I hope that comes out right - you know the cue ball is going to shoot long off the fourth rail, should clip the 1 and leave it close to the 6, cue ball runs up table. If the 1 ended in position A then it would be a much harder kick, but I don't think you could comfortably play the original shot with that soft of a speed.

I actually had this shot at the US Open once, guy had me on two fouls too. Believe it or not I actually ran out - cue ball knocked a ball in the side and I banked the one and ran out.

 

[Snapshot9]

Different options ...

A couple of options are available:

1) You could shoot the 1, follow thru a little, have angle, skim the 6,
and bring cue right up behind 3 trying to freeze against it.

2) You could shoot 1 with low left trying to go above 4-8 to the rail, but
below the side pocket and play short shape on the 2.

or my choice, 3) Throwing the 1 to the left side of the corner pocket
with low left, and draw-slide the cue ball past the side pocket to the
rail and coming down far enough for angle on the 2 without the 9 being
in the way for getting shape on the 3. (either bump the 5, but most likely
coming just to the inside of the 5).

By the way, is this on a bar box or big table, it makes a difference
for the shot?

 

[hustlefinger]

i didn't get out on this layout, i had to play safe on the 4 ball. i did get out a couple times practicing this layout later. its a very difficult out, and i think even alot of pro players would play safe on the 4, as its hard to get perfect on it. speed is crucial in this layout.

so champions........how would YOU get out from here????

VAP

Actually I think this isn’t that difficult, provided the first two shots are played well. Moving from the three to the four is the key, IMO, to getting out. Looks like you have enough angle on the one to get to the two but then again maybe not.

It’s always hard to tell from the diagram if the real layout is truly captured. Not to pick on you VAP, but for example, can the 4 ball be pocketed into the lower left corner if the cue ball were near the side pocket? My first instinct is yes, but perhaps the original intention was for the 4 and 8 to be closer together, not allowing this shot to go.

Rick

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Actually I think this isn’t that difficult, provided the first two shots are played well. Moving from the three to the four is the key, IMO, to getting out. Looks like you have enough angle on the one to get to the two but then again maybe not.

It’s always hard to tell from the diagram if the real layout is truly captured. Not to pick on you VAP, but for example, can the 4 ball be pocketed into the lower left corner if the cue ball were near the side pocket? My first instinct is yes, but perhaps the original intention was for the 4 and 8 to be closer together, not allowing this shot to go.

Rick

The 3 to the 4 is the second key. The 1 to the 2 is the big one. If the 8 blocks the 4 from the nearest pocket, you're simply going to have to play short side. In fact, depending on how I ended up on the 3, I might even prefer the short side of the 4.