give APA another shot???

oh yeah, timeouts....that happened last night and caught me off guard!!

One of the guys from the other team introduced himself, and asked what other nights I played league. I told him none, that I was only playing Mondays because my normal Wednesday night wasn't feasible this session. He asked my handicap on Wednesdays...lol. I told him last spring I was a 9.3. I don't think he knew there are non-APA leagues in the area. :p And I also think he found it weird that someone could play well and only play one night of league a week....

it's a little different, but I'll get to meet some new people, and hopefully have some fun.

well with a league with a lot of low level players you will see time outs called.

like i say during regular sessions i dont call many, thats my form of handicap management lol. i just let them shoot whatever they think.

i shoot 4 nights a week and it dont help me play better lol. hope you have fun, after all thats what league is supposed to be all about.
 
I played for several years now, in two different states.
You experience will vary depending on the league operator and how involved/interested he is.
It will also vary depending on your team... you must click with most of your teammates.
But generally, it's a good and fun experience.

At least 97% of sandbagging crying happens because of the following:

• Players don't understand how statistics work. They see a bad player make a hard shot and
think "he can make that tough shot all day! He should be higher ranked!"
They pay too much attention to flukes. They don't look at the player's long-run statistics,
they only pay attention to the last 3 balls they saw him shoot.

• The loser is salty and looking for an excuse, they claim the other guy should be higher ranked
when really the losing player just had a shitty night. In almost every case, they had plenty of chances
(like 20+) to change the outcome of the match and they blew them all.

• The loser is a low level player who doesn't know enough about pool to rate someone accurately.
They see an APA6 run 7 balls and they think he could play Johnny Archer even.
"Holy shit! This guy is a pro! He should be a 9! He's been sandbagging all along!"

• Some players are those "conspiracy theory" types who are desperate to look smart and in-the-know.
They like to act like they see all the hidden machinery going on behind the scenes,
they want you to think they are very wise and perceptive and everyone else is just too blind to see it.
"Yeah, he missed that 4 and the cue ball just 'happened' to tuck right in behind that 6 ball.
Just like that so-called 'roll' he got last rack. Yeah, he's a 4. Pffft."

• Sometimes a bad player has a good day.

Some other thoughts:

If you care too much about winning, you will be unhappy.
Care about winning an individual match? You may lose due to a tough handicap, a silly technicality, or blatant sharking.
Care about winning your regional event? You may lose due to short races, possibly on iffy barboxes, and yes...
due to playing some underranked guy who suddenly plays like a beast.
Care about getting to Vegas? The payout sucks, you'll probably lose money travelling there, and the equipment blows.
And you need to get lucky to get there anyway, no matter how good your team plays there are still rolls in pool.

You have to treat these as a social night that happens to cost about 10 bucks. Which is a bargain.
Especially if there's a practice table available.
 
I played for several years now, in two different states.
You experience will vary depending on the league operator and how involved/interested he is.
It will also vary depending on your team... you must click with most of your teammates.
But generally, it's a good and fun experience.

At least 97% of sandbagging crying happens because of the following:

• Players don't understand how statistics work. They see a bad player make a hard shot and
think "he can make that tough shot all day! He should be higher ranked!"
They pay too much attention to flukes. They don't look at the player's long-run statistics,
they only pay attention to the last 3 balls they saw him shoot.

• The loser is salty and looking for an excuse, they claim the other guy should be higher ranked
when really the losing player just had a shitty night. In almost every case, they had plenty of chances
(like 20+) to change the outcome of the match and they blew them all.

• The loser is a low level player who doesn't know enough about pool to rate someone accurately.
They see an APA6 run 7 balls and they think he could play Johnny Archer even.
"Holy shit! This guy is a pro! He should be a 9! He's been sandbagging all along!"

• Some players are those "conspiracy theory" types who are desperate to look smart and in-the-know.
They like to act like they see all the hidden machinery going on behind the scenes,
they want you to think they are very wise and perceptive and everyone else is just too blind to see it.
"Yeah, he missed that 4 and the cue ball just 'happened' to tuck right in behind that 6 ball.
Just like that so-called 'roll' he got last rack. Yeah, he's a 4. Pffft."

• Sometimes a bad player has a good day.

Some other thoughts:

If you care too much about winning, you will be unhappy.
Care about winning an individual match? You may lose due to a tough handicap, a silly technicality, or blatant sharking.
Care about winning your regional event? You may lose due to short races, possibly on iffy barboxes, and yes...
due to playing some underranked guy who suddenly plays like a beast.
Care about getting to Vegas? The payout sucks, you'll probably lose money travelling there, and the equipment blows.
And you need to get lucky to get there anyway, no matter how good your team plays there are still rolls in pool.

You have to treat these as a social night that happens to cost about 10 bucks. Which is a bargain.
Especially if there's a practice table available.

creedo , as usual you are pretty much spot on with your post.

when i started this thread i just wanted to share my experience about a person i knew was a sandbagger.

as paul harvey said here is the rest of the story.

the 4 i mentioned in the op is a person i met 8 years ago when i joined his bcapl team. he was a lot stronger player than i was back then. yea i have improved since then but so has he.

after 3 years of seeing him lay low in apa i just had enough and bruised his ego . he just goes up to the table and " magicaly " runs 21 balls in a row after just making 10 balls in 7 innings.

every week i see players who sometimes play better than their handicap or lower than than handicap. i know we all have our bad days and good days, i am a prime example of that.:smile:

i played a 6 last sunday who... when i am on play pretty even with but there have been times he has blown me away. well that night i beat him 38-28. i did not think he was sandbagging. i knew he was having a bad night and i was having a good night.

it just works that way sometimes.
 
I've been playing APA for years now. There is always "sandbagging drama" and there always will be in any league that tries to put brand new players on a level playing field with experienced players. Eventually I found the secret that makes APA enjoyable: Just play your own game and don't worry about ANYONE else!

I play on teams with people I know and I enjoy practicing with them, learning from them, and just hanging out with them. No matter who I end up playing on a given week (be it a 2, 3, 7, whatever), I play them at full speed. Sometimes I win big, sometimes I lose badly, but everyone gets 100% from me every week. As far as I'm concerned, if someone chooses to sandbag, that's on them. It'll either give me an easy win or it'll catch up to their team later.

Once I figured that part out, I started to really enjoy APA.
 
Go ahead and play.

At the very least, watching all of these players attempting to bend/break the rules gives you some important life lessons in both identification and classification. Besides - you play your way. When you get down to it, it doesn't matter what others try to do as long as you play to your own standards.
 
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