God is not going to help you win your match!
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You've muddled a belief in a Creator (or not), with other topics such as how we came to be (big bang? other? we don't know?), evolution... and followed it up with pity for people who don't agree with your beliefs. That's very childish.
Where do you draw the line at who you believe is living a "sad, sad life". Anyone who believes in ANY god or gods is living a good life? Or, only people who believe in the same god as you?
Either way you cut it, you have said that you feel billions of people are living sad, sad lives. Who knew?
I KNEW.....If they don't believe and serve the one and only true Living GOD then yes they are living sad, sad lives. They may not recognize or even know it but if they would ever choose to experience the happiness that serving and knowing GOD BRINGS then and only then would they understand what I mean by a sad life. I would imagine there are Athiest that live a nice, decent life. You may fall into that categorie. I hope u do. But until you have experienced knowing, and not just believing in GOD, then you have no clue what joy and happiness really are. So again, in the mind of someone that truely knows GOD, then Yes, a sad, sad, life.
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I am sympathetic to the view that kids not be indoctrinated with religion before a certain age. Teach and inculcate ethical and moral values like justice, fairness, kindness, etc. They are too young to be labeled Catholic or Protestant or Mormon. When they are grown up having been raised in a moral environment then they can choose which religion to follow or none at all.
Dawkins has said that we don’t label kids Republican or Democrat, Liberal or Conservative; in the same manner we don’t attach religious labels to kids. I tend to agree.
The default position for kids is non-religious/apatheism.
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Somewhere, and I can’t find where, I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary priest, “If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?”
“No”, said the priest, “not if you did not know.” “Then why”, asked the Eskimo earnestly, “did you tell me?” - Annie Dillard
I bet slave owners used to say roughly the same thing disobedient slaves.
Joy and happiness based on a falsity is something I will never accept. If you prefer to delude yourself, go ahead, but don't enter into a discussion as if your views reflect reality.
You say its based on falsity,why I don't know. If believing in something
makes that person happy and in turn makes him a better human being, then I would
guess it is a reality. Myself, I believe there is a God and some stories in the bible
may not of happened but I do believe in the messages behind them.
Some people spend most of there life disproving God. Seems like a lot of time
to spend on something if it doesn't exist.
I think everybody believes in something no matter if they admit it or not.
Some don't like to admit there's something more powerful then themselves
and others that are to self absorbed to look beyond there own hand.
You have no clue about anyone else's life unless you know them personally. Get a clue man.......
In case you missed it, here's what your god says about judging others.....
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged...."
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Its one thing to live you life however you wish, its another thing entirely to judge others and their lives based solely on the fact that they claim disbelief.
Right??
You missed the whole point! How can u honestly say "as if your views reflect reality" if you haven't experienced the relationship I'm referring to?
It's kinda like someone saying Chocolate ain't real, but they never tasted it. I'm not talking about just "believing". I'm talking about experiencing something then coming to the conclusion that it's real because of the experience.
That's where Atheist miss the point. There non belief of any GOD is based simply on believing and not the true EXPERIENCE. To some point I can actually understand there thinking because it's based on simple believing in something rather than experiencing it. And in the case of GOD I mean KNOWING him and not just believing in him.
I'm gonna stir the pot a little more.......HELL IS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN GOD. You can bet they believe now.
So now he's MY GOD? If an Atheist belief is NO GOD then how can u refer to him as my GOD. Atheist want to argue or debate that there is no GOD but then they refer to HIM as someone else's GOD. And I need to get a clue.....WOW.
It always amazes me how people can get so upset or argue against something that they say they know doesn't exist. Amazing........:scratchhead:
I agree, I wouldn't judge anybody on there beliefs or disbeliefs. The problem
with discussing religion is people get to personal. I would never try and change someones mind but would always give my reasons why I do.
Like I said in a previous post that if people can't abide by 10 rules, how in the name
of jalapeno peppers are we ever going to or deserve to ever know the entire truth.
Many times I've thought that God has washed his hands of us, when I see
the disgusting things that happen everyday.
I do agree with you though on that point.
Irrelevant. Just because you claim to have a supernatural experience doesn't make it true. Drug users also claim to meet god, have true bliss, yadayada. Unless you present valid evidence (unbiased, testable), your claims have no place in a debate (but you are free to believe in them all you want).
No, chocolate can easily be verified to exist. God and your hallucinations about him cannot, or if they can you haven't demonstrated that. You don't KNOW that god exists because that would hinge on having irrefutable (and logically consistent) evidence that he exists. Which is something that is independent of your belief. You obviously don't (or have failed to present it).
Anecdotal evidence is a very weak and generally invalid form of evidence. I wouldn't even call it evidence in this case. Just an anecdote.
No, we aren't missing the point. We get it. You truly believe there is a god. To the point that you think you know. Unfortunately, knowing is not an activity that you can decide upon arbitrarily. It takes cold hard facts to demonstrate knowing. You take a few spiritual/emotional experiences as a sign that god exists. What you don't get is that that is not enough to validate your claims in a discussion and it never will be.
If Hell existed, I am sure it would be full of people that believed in god. What's your point?
Hell, Hell would be more fun anyways. God doesn't like it when you shave or eat bacon. Do you really think he's going to let you play pool in heaven? lol.
Actually, you are the one who is coming across as being upset.
And just a bit of advice...if you want to join an intellectual debate, it is probably best to spell out "you" and not use "u." It makes it hard to take you seriously.
I've been reading the last few dozen posts. Dude, you are losing this one and bad. You might wanna try a little prayer, I mean, it couldn't hurt
Isn't it an emotional debate for some? I don't know how a person defends faith with intellect.
I've been reading the last few dozen posts. Dude, you are losing this one and bad. You might wanna try a little prayer, I mean, it couldn't hurt
It ain't pool or basketball, so isn't it kinda difficult to be certain who wins?
I've been reading the last few dozen posts. Dude, you are losing this one and bad. You might wanna try a little prayer, I mean, it couldn't hurt
Actually, I'm included in the ones that have nothing to lose and all to gain. And as far as the prayer thing, I do it everyday and your right, it definently doesn't hurt! :grin-angelic:
Naw....definently not upset. A little passionate maybe but not upset.
Sorry if it's hard to take me serious by using "u" instead of "you".
I'll try to do better.....:thumbup:
There really aren't any winners or losers.....
Everyone has their beliefs and are entitled to them.
I hope you all have a great weekend and hit them straight...
Everyone has their beliefs and are entitled to them.
I hope you all have a great weekend and hit them straight...
There really aren't any winners or losers.....
Everyone has their beliefs and are entitled to them.
I hope you all have a great weekend and hit them straight...
Hey that's fair enough for me! Your 100% right........Ditto on the have a great weekend and may all your balls find the hole ! :wave:
Well, folks can be right, but still lose an argument. And folks can be wrong and win the argument. He was losing based on his inability to use a little logic in his posts. Personally, nobody wins or loses when they argue about religion, hence why i'm agnostic. I'm perfectly fine, sitting on the fence and watching everyone kill each other
Well, folks can be right, but still lose an argument. And folks can be wrong and win the argument. He was losing based on his inability to use a little logic in his posts. Personally, nobody wins or loses when they argue about religion, hence why i'm agnostic. I'm perfectly fine, sitting on the fence and watching everyone kill each other
Hope you stay off the fenceposts! Have a great weekwnd.