#### realkingcobra

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Really?
Would you have blue labeled Super Speed?
What I redesigned between the red and blue label rails had nothing to do with which cushions were being used, that's what you fail to understand!

#### fastone371

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What I redesigned between the red and blue label rails had nothing to do with which cushions were being used, that's what you fail to understand!
That was my understanding, its good to hear that I understood the difference between the 2 tables.

In other words you could have put Artemis, Superspeeds, or Diamond blacks on a Red Label Diamond and it wont make it play like a Blue Label Diamond.

Conversely, changing the brand of cushion on a Blue Label Diamond will not make it play like a Red Label Diamond.

Would both statements be correct??

#### realkingcobra

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That was my understanding, its good to hear that I understood the difference between the 2 tables.

In other words you could have put Artemis, Superspeeds, or Diamond blacks on a Red Label Diamond and it wont make it play like a Blue Label Diamond.

Conversely, changing the brand of cushion on a Blue Label Diamond will not make it play like a Red Label Diamond.

Would both statements be correct??
100% right!

#### realkingcobra

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That was my understanding, its good to hear that I understood the difference between the 2 tables.

In other words you could have put Artemis, Superspeeds, or Diamond blacks on a Red Label Diamond and it wont make it play like a Blue Label Diamond.

Conversely, changing the brand of cushion on a Blue Label Diamond will not make it play like a Red Label Diamond.

Would both statements be correct??
The position of the cushion, behind the nose height, is determined by the thickness of the subrail, which then determines the correct nose height for the profile of the cushions being used.

#### fastone371

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The position of the cushion, behind the nose height, is determined by the thickness of the subrail, which then determines the correct nose height for the profile of the cushions being used.
As I understand it the ideal rail thickness is 2", would that also be correct??

#### realkingcobra

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As I understand it the ideal rail thickness is 2", would that also be correct??
1 11/16" but not all rails are the same thickness.

#### JoeyInCali

##### Maker of Joey Bautista Cues
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What I redesigned between the red and blue label rails had nothing to do with which cushions were being used, that's what you fail to understand!
Would you have redesigned them had the Artemis banked perfectly with the red label rails?

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#### realkingcobra

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Would you have redesigned them had the Artemis banked perfectly with the red label rails?
If they banked perfect, why would I redesign them?

#### JoeyInCali

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If they banked perfect, why would I redesign them?
Wouldn't they bank perfectly with a good set of super speed? Same rail specs.

#### realkingcobra

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Wouldn't they bank perfectly with a good set of super speed? Same rail specs.
I have gone over the rail design many times already, not going to keep repeating myself.

#### fastone371

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Wouldn't they bank perfectly with a good set of super speed? Same rail specs.
I believe the rail specs were the problem with red label Diamonds. Blue label Diamonds address that problem.

#### JoeyInCali

##### Maker of Joey Bautista Cues
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I believe the rail specs were the problem with red label Diamonds. Blue label Diamonds address that problem.
I think the Reds had gold crown 3 and super speed specs ..

#### kid

##### billiard mechanic
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Correct me if i’m wrong but from what i saw the reds rails were too thick, moving the body of the cushion too high in relation to it’s nose to get the « correct » nose height. Pretty obvious when you can see an angle where the cushion meets the wood…

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#### realkingcobra

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I believe the rail specs were the problem with red label Diamonds. Blue label Diamonds address that problem.
Correct!

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#### realkingcobra

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Correct me if i’m wrong but from what i saw the reds rails were too thick, moving the body of the cushion too high in relation to it’s nose to get the « correct » nose height. Pretty obvious when you can see an angle where the cushion meets the wood…

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That's right!