Good Things Vs Bad Things.

Marvel said:
I didn't read Jaspers post, but the delay of the checks is only reason to really be concerned IMHO. All other complaints are unneccessary, but of course there can be discussion about these smaller mistakes to be corrected.
For the record I have also posted positive things about the IPT.

KT's past and the IPT's silence is what led to all the negativity. KT is always going to be scrutinized because of his past & he's got to put forth more effort than someone without a past would. When you've got a convicted credit card fraud criminal not paying people and being silent about it... c'mon, you can't expect folks to sit back & be quiet.

I truly, truly hope the IPT makes it and is prosperous. I just want to see it done honestly and not at the expense of the players that already don't have money
 
Marvel said:
If the checks will never arrive, or some worse things will happen in the future, that's a reason to stand up and urge some answers and justice naturally.
I wished Abraham Lincoln would re-incarnate and organize a pool tour.

Meanwhile, I try to cope with the reality and look for the good things in it.

If the cheks will not arrive, that's another story then..

Markus,

I don't understand where your blind loyalty to Kevin Trudeau comes from. Given his past history of dishonesty and shame, you choose to look the other way out of either desperation or greed. It has to be one or the other. Which is it? I know you have made some money and you are looking forward to making more, Robin has a new kitchen, I know Gabe Owen bought a new vehicle, but that's just stuff, and money comes and money goes.

It's no secret that Timberly and I don't get along, but I agree with every single word she has written on this subject. She has her facts straight. She does her homework. The people she talks to are more credible that Kevin Trudeau (so is most of the world). I appreciate the honesty in her posts and her love for the game of pool is evident. I dont get the same feeling from your posts or the people that are calling her and others prophets of doom and naysayers.

My dog has this little squeaky toy. It's a squeaky hot dog - and its her favorite toy. Sometimes when I am playing with her, I squeak it and I pretend to throw it and she looks in the direction that it was supposed to be tossed and looks back at me with this bewildered look. Its funny when she tilts her head in anticipation and starts to look behind my back to see if I still have it. Then she starts to bark begging for the toy to reappear. That is exactly what KT is doing to the players with the money and the promises and the player's dreams.

There will never be a firm foundation to the IPT UNLESS someone else takes it over and redesigns their infrastructure to include lines of INCOME. Until that occurs your faith is based on promises, maybes, and if's. Kevin thinks you are beneath him. He has no respect for you or anybody else because in his eyes - YOU need HIM and therefore you are subserviant to him. The players should wake up and realize that KT has it backwards - HE needs YOU and without you - he has nothing. You're a person, not a circus animal, and all of the players deserve better than Kevin Trudeau and his lies.
 
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The World Open ended a little more than a month ago and although no one has been paid, everyone screams doom and how the armageddon is near for the one organization everyone was hailing as 'the best thing that ever happened to pool' and how 'Kevin Trudeau was pool's savior.'

I happen to believe this situation was unfortunate - and I happen to believe that players should get paid as they're knocked out. But the reality of the situation is "things happen" and not everything is perfect. Here, you have an organization like the IPT fighting its ass off to make a living for pool players young and old - and everyone's sticking it up-their-ass on this board.

As a successful owner of multiple businesses, I'd LOVE for everyone to pay me NET-30 - but it's frequently a lot more.... and that's a fact of life. How often do I get paid "NET-0, PAY UPON RECEIPT?" NEVER.

I, for one, would like to put myself on record here and make an educated guess that the players will get paid before Chicago. For all the "KNOW-EVERYTHINGS" out there - how about we make a bet? How about you get on record as saying you don't think they will - and the loser deletes their account from this website. That way, we can get rid of all of the detective-know-it-all-doom-saying NITS once and for all.
 
There, I said it.

SpiderWebComm said:
The World Open ended a little more than a month ago and although no one has been paid, everyone screams doom and how the armageddon is near for the one organization everyone was hailing as 'the best thing that ever happened to pool' and how 'Kevin Trudeau was pool's savior.'

I happen to believe this situation was unfortunate - and I happen to believe that players should get paid as they're knocked out. But the reality of the situation is "things happen" and not everything is perfect. Here, you have an organization like the IPT fighting its ass off to make a living for pool players young and old - and everyone's sticking it up-their-ass on this board.

As a successful owner of multiple businesses, I'd LOVE for everyone to pay me NET-30 - but it's frequently a lot more.... and that's a fact of life. How often do I get paid "NET-0, PAY UPON RECEIPT?" NEVER.

I, for one, would like to put myself on record here and make an educated guess that the players will get paid before Chicago. For all the "KNOW-EVERYTHINGS" out there - how about we make a bet? How about you get on record as saying you don't think they will - and the loser deletes their account from this website. That way, we can get rid of all of the detective-know-it-all-doom-saying NITS once and for all.


Ok, I'll say it. "You don't think they will."
 
straybullet said:
Markus,

I don't understand where your blind loyalty to Kevin Trudeau comes from. Given his past history of dishonesty and shame, you choose to look the other way out of either desperation or greed. It has to be one or the other. Which is it? I know you have made some money and you are looking forward to making more, Robin has a new kitchen, I know Gabe Owen bought a new vehicle, but that's just stuff, and money comes and money goes.

It's no secret that Timberly and I don't get along, but I agree with every single word she has written on this subject. She has her facts straight. She does her homework. The people she talks to are more credible that Kevin Trudeau (so is most of the world). I appreciate the honesty in her posts and her love for the game of pool is evident. I dont get the same feeling from your posts or the people that are calling her and others prophets of doom and naysayers.

My dog has this little squeaky toy. It's a squeaky hot dog - and its her favorite toy. Sometimes when I am playing with her, I squeak it and I pretend to throw it and she looks in the direction that it was supposed to be tossed and looks back at me with this bewildered look. Its funny when she tilts her head in anticipation and starts to look behind my back to see if I still have it. Then she starts to bark begging for the toy to reappear. That is exactly what KT is doing to the players with the money and the promises and the player's dreams.

There will never be a firm foundation to the IPT UNLESS someone else takes it over and redesigns their infrastructure to include lines of INCOME. Until that occurs your faith is based on promises, maybes, and if's. Kevin thinks you are beneath him. He has no respect for you or anybody else because in his eyes - YOU need HIM and therefore you are subserviant to him. The players should wake up and realize that KT has it backwards - HE needs YOU and without you - he has nothing. You're a person, not a circus animal, and all of the players deserve better than Kevin Trudeau and his lies.
So now the IPT players are DOGS!!!!!!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The World Open ended a little more than a month ago and although no one has been paid, everyone screams doom and how the armageddon is near for the one organization everyone was hailing as 'the best thing that ever happened to pool' and how 'Kevin Trudeau was pool's savior.'

I happen to believe this situation was unfortunate - and I happen to believe that players should get paid as they're knocked out. But the reality of the situation is "things happen" and not everything is perfect. Here, you have an organization like the IPT fighting its ass off to make a living for pool players young and old - and everyone's sticking it up-their-ass on this board.

As a successful owner of multiple businesses, I'd LOVE for everyone to pay me NET-30 - but it's frequently a lot more.... and that's a fact of life. How often do I get paid "NET-0, PAY UPON RECEIPT?" NEVER.

I, for one, would like to put myself on record here and make an educated guess that the players will get paid before Chicago. For all the "KNOW-EVERYTHINGS" out there - how about we make a bet? How about you get on record as saying you don't think they will - and the loser deletes their account from this website. That way, we can get rid of all of the detective-know-it-all-doom-saying NITS once and for all.
I'm on the same page as you.
Glad I'm not the only one.
 
straybullet said:
Markus,
I don't understand where your blind loyalty to Kevin Trudeau comes from. Given his past history of dishonesty and shame, you choose to look the other way out of either desperation or greed. It has to be one or the other. Which is it?
I have read what Markus has said and asking him if it is desperation or greed is kind of like asking him "Do you still beat your wife?" My guess is the retains hope for the future. Kevin Trudeau may have done a lot of things wrong in his life but he definitely was THINKING BIG when he decided to create a pooltour. If it goes down it certainly won't be because he was afraid to try or that he was blowing hot air, he did create some incredible events from nothing. If it takes off again there are going to be a lot of players that will be kicking themselves again.
 
Timberly said:
KT's past and the IPT's silence is what led to all the negativity. KT is always going to be scrutinized because of his past & he's got to put forth more effort than someone without a past would. When you've got a convicted credit card fraud criminal not paying people and being silent about it... c'mon, you can't expect folks to sit back & be quiet.


I agree with you Timberly here, that's not the case.

I've been more concerned about the way the critisism has been done and especially when it was done before this check delay thing, and I really didn't see any reason for it. KT's past wasn't interesting for me, cos I could see IPT was doing good. I didn't care about his past.

When IPT started I refused to listen the 'stories' about KT, cos I rather believed my eyes, my ears, and my sense of taste (those turkey sandwhiches were/are pretty good).
I didn't want to listen rumours or read articles from internet, cos a while before I had been in a long term 'debate' in another non-pool related issue, and I found out internet is full of crap and false information - so I believed it's no use - and I noticed that people rather believe the stories in internet, than their own experience.



I'll answer more in a quota to Starybullet..
 
SpiderWebComm said:
As a successful owner of multiple businesses, I'd LOVE for everyone to pay me NET-30 - but it's frequently a lot more.... and that's a fact of life. How often do I get paid "NET-0, PAY UPON RECEIPT?" NEVER.

I, for one, would like to put myself on record here and make an educated guess that the players will get paid before Chicago. For all the "KNOW-EVERYTHINGS" out there - how about we make a bet? How about you get on record as saying you don't think they will - and the loser deletes their account from this website. That way, we can get rid of all of the detective-know-it-all-doom-saying NITS once and for all.


Hi Spider,

Been to the York train show lately?

Now that sure is more fun than playing pool.
 
straybullet said:
Markus,

I don't understand where your blind loyalty to Kevin Trudeau comes from. Given his past history of dishonesty and shame, you choose to look the other way out of either desperation or greed. It has to be one or the other. Which is it? I know you have made some money and you are looking forward to making more, Robin has a new kitchen, I know Gabe Owen bought a new vehicle, but that's just stuff, and money comes and money goes.

It's no secret that Timberly and I don't get along, but I agree with every single word she has written on this subject. She has her facts straight. She does her homework. The people she talks to are more credible that Kevin Trudeau (so is most of the world). I appreciate the honesty in her posts and her love for the game of pool is evident. I dont get the same feeling from your posts or the people that are calling her and others prophets of doom and naysayers.

My dog has this little squeaky toy. It's a squeaky hot dog - and its her favorite toy. Sometimes when I am playing with her, I squeak it and I pretend to throw it and she looks in the direction that it was supposed to be tossed and looks back at me with this bewildered look. Its funny when she tilts her head in anticipation and starts to look behind my back to see if I still have it. Then she starts to bark begging for the toy to reappear. That is exactly what KT is doing to the players with the money and the promises and the player's dreams.

There will never be a firm foundation to the IPT UNLESS someone else takes it over and redesigns their infrastructure to include lines of INCOME. Until that occurs your faith is based on promises, maybes, and if's. Kevin thinks you are beneath him. He has no respect for you or anybody else because in his eyes - YOU need HIM and therefore you are subserviant to him. The players should wake up and realize that KT has it backwards - HE needs YOU and without you - he has nothing. You're a person, not a circus animal, and all of the players deserve better than Kevin Trudeau and his lies.



Dear Straybullet,


In this quote that you had from me, I tried to express myself of trying to be patient and constructive. I admitted, that if the checks won't come, that's a differrent story then.

I also noticed that Wayne had answered my words to you at the same time as I wrote to Timberly, but I want to still say something more.


First of all, I'll wash my hands off from greediness in this case, eventhough I do commit that I have to pray everyday so I could get completely rid of that selfish and materialistic little bratt, which I learned to be in my childhood.
I've went through hard times in my life because of my ego, but I've been blessed, privileged and lucky to have realized something important. Even I'm yet not strong enough to always practise what I preach, I do try hard. I wish I could learn to try even harder, and someday be able to turn it to effortless compassionate behaviour.



You put your post nicely. Still I must say I was bit dissapointed as you stated you don't get impression that I write from my heart nor my intentions are pure.
I came to this forum with mischievous style, sometimes probably even malicious or rude, but I apologized (I hope Timberly got that also), and since then I have tried my best not to step on anybodys fingers, and actually I haven't even called anyone as a 'naysayer' or 'prophet of doom' or anything like that. (I hope I'm correct here :o )

I would't say I'm BLINDLY loyal to KT either.
I have stated earlier, that I owe KT more than he owes me(which is in many ways true, but probably IPT is better letter combie, than KT here)
I have also stated very clearly, that if I was organizer of IPT, I would handle things differently, and wouldn't accept many things happening here.
I haven't praised KT here, but I have experienced the unique of IPT, and I'm willing to forgive mis-informations, over-exaggerations, and many other things concerning the promises etc.. if the IPT still goes on, and I can secure the economics for me and my wife.
My morals I won't trade for money, but they are my morals, and I'm not expecting them from all the personalities I'm copeing with in everyday life.
And believe me, I haven't even planned to buy new wehicles and kitchens, I have just wished to be able to play Pool and eat sandwhiches without worrying about money, as I'm lazy as Beetle Bailey and Dagwood combined, and my wife is not working either.


I must confess, that two days ago my rose-coloured glasses got a crack, as I red KT's statement: "Yes. We have already sold millions of copies of the LoreeJon Jones versus Mike Sigel match that was held at Mandalay Bay in Vegas, and the King of the Hill where Efren Reyes dethroned Mike Sigel".
I almost fell off my chair, but luckily I was sitting on a floor already.
Next morning I still felt that my belief for IPT is gone, but after some thinking and chatting with friends(I've lived in States for 3.5 months now) I realized that even with these kind of statements, it still doesn't mean that the IPT wouldn't be there - it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is a lie, but of course believing is more difficult.
Not to put you down, my american friends, bu in US they seem to sell things with not so high morals, as where I come from, Finland, honesty is the most important thing in everything, even more important than intentions. You don't sell anything there if you're not completely honest, and people in Finland are sceptical, pessimistic and over-rational, even to a point they're being dull.

I don't know what will happen if the checks wont come and the promised 100 000$ for the 2007 are just numbers in the air.
Is KT responsible of these things in the eyes of law and jury?

In Finland those kind of promises are being kept, maybe that's why I have believed in them in the first place.

Then again, in Finland nobody would organize anything like IPT.


In Finland they organize World Championships in rubber boot throw, racing with a woman on your back (last year Dennis Rodman was there, didn't have a chance) and also there is World Championships organized on who's staying longest in a sauna, which is like 230°F hot.
I doubt there's lots of money involved in those sports either, so I'll stick in pool still. I love pool.



Maybe that's why I've been flagging for IPT. I've had a great time there.
 
Markus

Thank you for your post. I hope what I said did not offend you, that was not my intention. I feel I know you a little bit better now after reading that. No matter what happens with this situation, I wish you the best of luck.

Debra Li
 
straybullet said:
Markus

Thank you for your post. I hope what I said did not offend you, that was not my intention. I feel I know you a little bit better now after reading that. No matter what happens with this situation, I wish you the best of luck.

Debra Li


Heh, thank's, an no, I wasn't offended at all, like I said I liked the way you put your post..
 
jay helfert said:
I think the tournament ended on September 10, 2006. I think today is October 13, 2006. I think no one got paid yet.

If you see anything wrong here, please let me know Jaspers.
Yes its bad for the players that they have not been paid.
This is the one thing we all agree on.
 
straybullet said:
Markus

Thank you for your post. I hope what I said did not offend you, that was not my intention. I feel I know you a little bit better now after reading that. No matter what happens with this situation, I wish you the best of luck.

Debra Li
Now who do you think you're kidding here???
You go out of your way to try and belittle and offend people with whom you disagree.
 
jasper said:
Now who do you think you're kidding here???
You go out of your way to try and belittle and offend people with whom you disagree.

I do? Well so be it.

You're upset, "Jasper". Why is that?

Is it because people are finally asking the questions that the IPT cant answer?

Is it because some of the founding father naysayers were correct in their assessment from the onset?

Is it because everything that the IPT said "wouldn't" happen - is happening?

Is it because you are running out of answers?

Is it because the IPT is out of money and in their defense all they can think of doing is blaming people like David Sapolis and Jay Helfert?

Is it because the announcement really is that there is no announcement?

Is it because the funneling of money isnt going as smooth in reality as it did on paper?

Which is it? You seem to want to lock horns with Timberly and I, and believe me, that's just not wise. Ask anybody.

What I do know is that you wanted to come in here and put everybody's mind at ease - "Dont worry - dont be negative - everything's fine"

Explain that to the players. I'm not an IPT player. I'm just a well educated accountant and business owner. I have worked for IBM, The Walt Disney Company, Aai Technologies, & GTE. I have held executive level positions in two of those companies. I understand how business works. I understand the intricacies that the average Joe would have no knowledge of. The lies that have been told to the players are ridiculous and I know why that is - do you? Probably not. So if you want to debate someone - make sure you have the knowledge and the intellectual firepower to hang with them first. I told you long ago that you were getting nowehere with your posts. As long as the players arent paid, then it is an issue that will be discussed in this forum - and some of what you read will not be pleasant.
 
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Prophets of Doom.

Only three words. Why do they cause so much concern?

A prophet is just someone who forcasts the future.

In this case these prophets have turned out to be pretty wise.

They sure did not cause the collapse of the IPT. Any fool, even me, can see that if more money is going out than coming in pretty soon you will run out of money. And the way they were spending it it didn't take all that long to use it up.

Let's face it. Most of us, once we did the math, just went along for the ride concealing our doubts and playing along. What the hell, someone tossing money around you might as well enjoy it and get what you can. Just like when you are in the bar and the local rich guy comes in and buys everyone a drink. All of a sudden the beer turns into a double Crown on the rocks.

When I was at Orlando I was told it cost KT 4 million to hold that event. I don't know what the real numbers were but whatever they were it sure did cost a bundle. Not being able to understand how he planned on recouping that loss I just followed along and played the game on the boards. It sure didn't cost me much.

Now I have to wonder if it will turn really serious and nasty. Will it turn up on the evening news? Will someone end up in the trunk of a Caddy? I have seen people killed for a Starter Jacket or a piece of chicken so who knows what will happen when all this money is involved.

There are a few people that I don't want to be anywhere near.

Jake
 
straybullet said:
I do? Well so be it.

You're upset, "Jasper". Why is that?

Is it because people are finally asking the questions that the IPT cant answer?

Is it because some of the founding father naysayers were correct in their assessment from the onset?

Is it because everything that the IPT said "wouldn't" happen - is happening?

Is it because you are running out of answers?

Is it because the IPT is out of money and in their defense all they can think of doing is blaming people like David Sapolis and Jay Helfert?

Is it because the announcement really is that there is no announcement?

Is it because the funneling of money isnt going as smooth in reality as it did on paper?

Which is it? You seem to want to lock horns with Timberly and I, and believe me, that's just not wise. Ask anybody.

What I do know is that you wanted to come in here and put everybody's mind at ease - "Dont worry - dont be negative - everything's fine"

Explain that to the players. I'm not an IPT player. I'm just a well educated accountant and business owner. I have worked for IBM, The Walt Disney Company, Aai Technologies, & GTE. I have held executive level positions in two of those companies. I understand how business works. I understand the intricacies that the average Joe would have no knowledge of. The lies that have been told to the players are ridiculous and I know why that is - do you? Probably not. So if you want to debate someone - make sure you have the knowledge and the intellectual firepower to hang with them first. I told you long ago that you were getting nowehere with your posts. As long as the players arent paid, then it is an issue that will be discussed in this forum - and some of what you read will not be pleasant.
You are sounding pretty insecure. This is not the first time you time you have posted your resume. Do you really think you need to do this be accepted ?
You are once again sounding like a child in playround.
One question for you......are you going on record saying that the IPT players
will never be paid for the world open tournament ???
 
straybullet said:
I do? Well so be it.

You're upset, "Jasper". Why is that?

Is it because people are finally asking the questions that the IPT cant answer?

Is it because some of the founding father naysayers were correct in their assessment from the onset?

Is it because everything that the IPT said "wouldn't" happen - is happening?

Is it because you are running out of answers?

Is it because the IPT is out of money and in their defense all they can think of doing is blaming people like David Sapolis and Jay Helfert?

Is it because the announcement really is that there is no announcement?

Is it because the funneling of money isnt going as smooth in reality as it did on paper?

Which is it? You seem to want to lock horns with Timberly and I, and believe me, that's just not wise. Ask anybody.

What I do know is that you wanted to come in here and put everybody's mind at ease - "Dont worry - dont be negative - everything's fine"

Explain that to the players. I'm not an IPT player. I'm just a well educated accountant and business owner. I have worked for IBM, The Walt Disney Company, Aai Technologies, & GTE. I have held executive level positions in two of those companies. I understand how business works. I understand the intricacies that the average Joe would have no knowledge of. The lies that have been told to the players are ridiculous and I know why that is - do you? Probably not. So if you want to debate someone - make sure you have the knowledge and the intellectual firepower to hang with them first. I told you long ago that you were getting nowehere with your posts. As long as the players arent paid, then it is an issue that will be discussed in this forum - and some of what you read will not be pleasant.
By the way why do you and Timberly have horns ???
I don't have any to lock with you. I'm an angel.
sorry.
 
jasper said:
By the way why do you and Timberly have horns ???
I don't have any to lock with you. I'm an angel.
sorry.

Jasper,
My dog has this little squeaky toy. It's a squeaky hot dog - and its her favorite toy. Sometimes when I am playing with her, I squeak it and I pretend to throw it and she looks in the direction that it was supposed to be tossed and looks back at me with this bewildered look. Its funny when she tilts her head in anticipation and starts to look behind my back to see if I still have it. Then she starts to bark begging for the toy to reappear. That is exactly what KT is doing to the players with the money and the promises and the player's dreams.

I am posting this again because KT's new "Announcement" is doing the same thing to the players and the fans that I do to my dog to tease her. You are right, you are an angel - the angel of deceit. A fallen angel, but an angel nonetheless. I will leave you with an old Klingon proverb - Only a fool fights in a burning house. Say it over and over until it sinks in, Jasper.
 
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