Gorst in the Mosconi

All this gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair, over Gorst, is pathetic. If he grinds it out, and becomes a citizen of the USA, then hell yeah. Until then, F that. We are from the states, for the states. We assemble the best team we can, and do our best. If we get beat, so be it, get better.
 
If he gets his citizenship, I’m all for it. I heard there’s a formal procedure and timeframes for representing to a different country. But that sounds like an IOC thing which in pool is a WPA thing. And frankly I don’t see many WPA things applying to Matchroom these days.
 
skogstokig said:
that's a crude way of putting it, but probably true, fedor is a rational guy just like most pro players. it's easier to be principled when you have a secure job/income
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I don't know how it's crude?

If I have a choice to do a job for 30,000 vs 15,000 I don't know a single person that would want to do it for half price.

It's one thing if you're making a few million a year, it's another thing entirely if you're making 200k or less plus travel expenses.

It would be irresponsible to play for the USA
 
jasonlaus said:
I don't know how it's crude?

If I have a choice to do a job for 30,000 vs 15,000 I don't know a single person that would want to do it for half price.

It's one thing if you're making a few million a year, it's another thing entirely if you're making 200k or less plus travel expenses.

It would be irresponsible to play for the USA
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You are assuming that he makes Team Europe every year and that if he switches to Team USA they lose every year.

Talent level is rising quickly in Europe. No guarantee he makes it annually, but he would essentially be a lock to make Team USA for the rest of his pool career. And his presence on Team USA makes America much more likely to win it.
 
jasonlaus said:
I don't know how it's crude?

If I have a choice to do a job for 30,000 vs 15,000 I don't know a single person that would want to do it for half price.

It's one thing if you're making a few million a year, it's another thing entirely if you're making 200k or less plus travel expenses.

It would be irresponsible to play for the USA
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crude in the sense explicit. he would probably give the same reason though, he usually speaks his mind. it is 20k for the losers this year, 40k for winners. few would turn down 40k
 
BlueRaider said:
You are assuming that he makes Team Europe every year and that if he switches to Team USA they lose every year.

Talent level is rising quickly in Europe. No guarantee he makes it annually, but he would essentially be a lock to make Team USA for the rest of his pool career. And his presence on Team USA makes America much more likely to win it.
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I'm taking my chances of making team Europe if I'm him.

If it gets to the point where he isn't making the team, there won't be a Mosconi Cup because the US is truly F'd if their talent takes Fedor off the team
 
On the Joe Rogan show he said something to the effect that he'd need to sit out three years of events to change the nationality he represents.

It's interesting because the rule actually comes from the Olympic Charter (Page 77, Rule 41, Bye-law 2). The rule is that three years must pass since he last represented his old country before he may represent his new country.

https://stillmed.olympic.org/.../EN-Olympic-Charter.pdf

So questions arise like first does that only apply to the Olympic Games (or World Games?) themselves and might the WPA be inclined to use that as a guideline for their own rulings but do they actually have some discretion regarding the handling of general international competition?

And second, when was the last time Fedor represented Russia in international competition? With the bans and him now competing unaffiliated, it may be the case the three years are nearly lapsed already provided he doesn't represent Russia in any future event and reset the clock.

It may be the case he could be good to go as soon as his citizenship clears if he works with the WPA and plays his cards right.

And ultimately the relationship between Matchroom and WPA also makes you wonder whether those IOC-oriented protocols will mean anything to Matchroom running non-sanctioned invitational events that don't award federation-recognized medals.

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sjm said:
For practical purposes, Fedor is a man without a country, and US citizenship is probably years away. However, it might be to Matchroom's advantage to start considering him American if they want the Mosconi to remain competitive. Only two active American players are in the Top 90 by Fargo (Dechaine and Bergman are inactive), and that's Shane and Skyler, so nobody seems to be in the pipeline short-term.

In the year he spent in America, Fedor endeared himself to the American pool fans, and they'll happily count him as one of their own if afforded the chance.
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Styler is a upper coming player
 
Justaneng said:
Prediction: Gorst for Team USA within 2 years, then Shaw a few years later once he ages a bit and 6 or 7 Euros pass him on their Mosconi feed list.

WIth that you'd have: Gorst, SVB, Sky, Shaw, and a 75 year old Earl Strickland competing for Team USA.
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Loser
 
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