Great quote that lots of players need to read in an effort to speed up the game.

yep time is money. and if you are on the winning side of the games it costs you to have a slow player.

my thing was a rarely would play a slow player or if i did i had a much bigger edge on him and made him bet more as well.
 
quite often when the balls got up table and i was a dog i figured how much the worst i had and tried to buy my way out of the game. if he did it i made money on the deal and more money by having more games played for the day.

that is what hustling is about.
 
Personally, if someone is in a tough spot in one pocket playing for something serious, I have no problem watching them take a minute or two. Same thing for when those situations come up in a rotation game.

What I absolutely can't stand is when someone placed the cue where they intended, the next shot is obvious and all they need to do is execute, but for some reason, they still walk around that table a few times and stare at the table like it's possible to think of a way to make it easier. In short, it's OK to take some time on occasion, but there's just no reason for it on every shot.

I've always said most really slow players would probably play better if they sped up a little and added some rhythm to their game.
 
Personally, if someone is in a tough spot in one pocket playing for something serious, I have no problem watching them take a minute or two. Same thing for when those situations come up in a rotation game.

What I absolutely can't stand is when someone placed the cue where they intended, the next shot is obvious and all they need to do is execute, but for some reason, they still walk around that table a few times and stare at the table like it's possible to think of a way to make it easier. In short, it's OK to take some time on occasion, but there's just no reason for it on every shot.

I've always said most really slow players would probably play better if they sped up a little and added some rhythm to their game.
100%. There's a difference between being deliberate and being deliberately slow.
I altered my PSR to be a bit more deliberate to the CB and played a couple games under a shot clock because it felt slow. Never even needed my extension in the 5-6 racks I played. I think a lot of players look like they're playing slow when they really aren't. I think the difference is spending more time on the cue ball rather than walking around the table.

The last weekly tournament (9B) I played one of my opponents would walk around the table, balk, walk around again, sometimes 2-3 times. Even with an open table. Race to 5 took over an hour and everyone was standing around staring, waiting for us. I kept looking over at the counter for someone to say something but they never did. At that point I was frustrated and completely lost patience. Just didn't care anymore and wanted it to end. Mission accomplished on his part, I guess...
 
the shot clock tells you the maximum amount of time allowed on a shot. its not to tell a person how much time to take.

the time needs to be shortened drastically and then give an extra "short" extension or two per game.
 
“The faster I shoot, the better runs I make. I’m steadier when making rapid-fire shots, too. It’s the speed shooting that I’m best at. If I deliberated over my shots I would be almost sure to play poorly. Natural ability may count for some of my success, but concentration and speed count most.” -- Ralph Greenleaf
Hey if it works for one, it should work across the board
I’ll see y’all in the us open finals
 
this thread is disconcerting to me. ive found myself agreeing with more than one of garczars posts.

either he is getting some sense or i am losing my mind.
It’s bad when I agree with ol garc
Even worse when I agree with you
Those days I just pay someone to kick me in the nuts and back to my senses
 
The last weekly tournament (9B) I played one of my opponents would walk around the table, balk, walk around again, sometimes 2-3 times. Even with an open table. Race to 5 took over an hour and everyone was standing around staring, waiting for us. I kept looking over at the counter for someone to say something but they never did. At that point I was frustrated and completely lost patience. Just didn't care anymore and wanted it to end. Mission accomplished on his part, I guess...

what they're doing is ruining pool, whether it's amateurs or pros. noone wants to play a sloth that takes forever to shoot and noone wants to watch either
 
Worst thing you can do is get sucked into the other players rythum....beit slow or fast.
Unrelated to the overall speed discussion here, I find sometimes that I subconsciously "get sucked in" to how a player does his practice strokes...and I catch myself kinda copying them. Which sucks, for me...until I realize that I'm doing it, and go back to what I should be doing.

On my league team, I had two of the slowest players in our league on my team, ("had"... one of them quit, so we're down to just one slow one, lol)
and if we played them both the same week, it was agonizing...I can be a little deliberate, tho I don't think I'm in the "slow" category. But on a night when both of the slow players played, I'd find myself playing faster than normal, just to try and compensate, if only a little.
 
“The faster I shoot, the better runs I make. I’m steadier when making rapid-fire shots, too. It’s the speed shooting that I’m best at. If I deliberated over my shots I would be almost sure to play poorly. Natural ability may count for some of my success, but concentration and speed count most.” -- Ralph Greenleaf
Good for him . I’m not him So his speed of play means nothing to me. Not to mention his natural ability allows to shoot rapid fire shots. I play better when I play slower so that’s how I’m playing.
 
At the end of the day, the pro players should all understand that for their pay to grow, their fan base must grow. IMO, the best way to do that is to completely ban all slow play, and make a concerted effort for all pros to play FAST! It's such low hanging fruit, that is completely possible by the players today. Does not need sponsor money, in other words, to make it happen.

The modern players of Earl, Schmidt, Filler, Shaw, etc, are super fun to watch.

The same (roughly) speed players of Souquet, Kaci, Ouchan, CW, Bassivich, even Alex P sometimes, are brutal to watch.

Shane and Efren speed should be about the slowest allowed on tour. I'm not saying these two are slow, I'm saying these two should be the baseline.
Ban slow play.. get out of here. the more I read your posts the more I’m seeing your another Guy that I haven’t read one post that wasn’t nonsense so it’s time you get blocked
 
what they're doing is ruining pool, whether it's amateurs or pros. noone wants to play a sloth that takes forever to shoot and noone wants to watch either
That’s exactly how I’m going to play if I think it bothers you. In 35 years of playing I’ve never given a single f$%$ how fast or slow somone plays. all I care about is how I play. They can do what they want when they are at the table.
 
That’s exactly how I’m going to play if I think it bothers you. In 35 years of playing I’ve never given a single f$%$ how fast or slow somone plays. all I care about is how I play. They can do what they want when they are at the table.
I hear what you're saying, but the problem comes with EXTREMELY slow and / or unnecessarily slow players. There is a reasonable limit and there are those that would exceed what's reasonable. The other issue, or course, is spectators. If we want to grow this game, we need to ensure it has some level of sponsorships. If we want to grow or maintain sponsorships, we need to be cognizant of spectator appeal.
 
It's very tough to run many balls in 14.1 if you play slowly. You just run out of steam eventually. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but that's what they are, exceptions. 9 ball and one pocket are different. You just naturally get more pauses and usually a lot less thinking is involved in 9 ball. In one pocket there is a lot of thinking but the game is slow paced with pauses.
 
Somebody told me I play too fast and I can be such a better player if I slowed it down. I am not sure about that since I am a quick tempo shooter. I am aware of who I am playing against. Sometimes I slow it down so they can sit down.
 
That’s exactly how I’m going to play if I think it bothers you. In 35 years of playing I’ve never given a single f$%$ how fast or slow somone plays. all I care about is how I play. They can do what they want when they are at the table.

well ok. a tournament slows down and takes longer time because of one guy and you can't fathom why others see it as problematic? maybe it's easier to understand if one applies it to a workplace, where everybody in the team have to stay longer and go home later because of this slow person that can't keep up with the workflow.

on the pro level, if a sport on tv is too slow people will switch channels and watch something else. not a problem?
 
Greenleaf's comment can be adapted for your play. Try playing, chalking, or moving about 10% faster than usual to help you play "in the zone," allowing your subconscious to assist with making shots.
The subconscious mind. In pool and golf you have a lot of time to think. Tennis on the other hand is a reactionary sport. Read The Inner Game of Tennis or better yet The Inner Game of Golf. There’s a technique I use in putting called “the quiet eye”. Look it up if you’re interested.
 
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