Grip Hand too loose?

[BilliardsAbout]

Also, a cue stick clasped along its sides is easier to move straight back and forth and a cue cradled beneath it.

In sum, as light as you can possibly go--get used to it--and be aware that when tense you may go up to 3 or 4 on a 10 scale and still shoot well.

Clench your fist like a 10, though, and you can see it is quite difficult to make ulna or radial deviation with your wrist--the two correct wrist directions for billiards.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You don't need any grip pressure actually, you can shoot and do anything you need by just the weight of the cue sitting in your fingers.

During the pendulum stroke the Grip would be better called a CRADLE instead, the cue rests on the cradle comprised of the 4 fingers of the hand, and the thumb is pointed straight down with its side resting gently against the cue. Remember you don't have to grip it, you cradle it.

One of the things that players have with finding the light grip is that they have fast and jerkey motions to their warmup and delivery strokes which makes the cue slide all over the place b/c of the quick and random nature of the stroke. If you set then pull back with control like golfers do on their swings then pause (length of pause is not important) and finally deliver and complete the full stroking motion.

You can play the game with any kind of grip, but some make it more difficult, the light grip is the most efficient at transferring the sticks energy to the CB....the light grip lets the stick drive itself via momentum, and the body can't match that momentum so you have to hit much harder to get the same action with a really firm grip.

Light is right for the pendulum,
Grey Ghost

Good explaination & again well said. Could you please do the same for the piston stroke & perhaps give your opinions of the benefits & pitfalls of each stroke.

PS Hope you're eating well. Right after the storm, I ate some shimp creole from the Boiling Pot in Slidell . It was pretty good.

 

[Scott Lee]

English...Do you realize that Keebie's (greyghost) post is 2 1/2 years old, and he no longer lives in LA? BTW, since I taught him the cradle grip, I think I'm qualified to answer your question.

There are no advantages to the piston stroke. Most people who use it believe mistakenly that the tip stays in contact with the CB longer, so they think they get more "stuff"...more draw, more power, etc. That's a myth. The CB is gone off the tip in 1/1000th of a second. The disadvantage of the piston stroke is that it is more complex (utilizes more parts/muscles), and therefore is more prone to small errors. A pendulum stroke is a dead straight line, because your elbow is a hinge (unless you screw the swing up by involving the shoulder or gripping too tightly). The piston stroke may or may not be a straight line, depending the individual. Pendulum stroke = KISS

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Good explaination & again well said. Could you please do the same for the piston stroke & perhaps give your opinions of the benefits & pitfalls of each stroke.

PS Hope you're eating well. Right after the storm, I ate some shimp creole from the Boiling Pot in Slidell . It was pretty good.

 

[ronscuba]

English...Do you realize that Keebie's (greyghost) post is 2 1/2 years old, and he no longer lives in LA? BTW, since I taught him the cradle grip, I think I'm qualified to answer your question.

There are no advantages to the piston stroke. Most people who use it believe mistakenly that the tip stays in contact with the CB longer, so they think they get more "stuff"...more draw, more power, etc. That's a myth. The CB is gone off the tip in 1/1000th of a second. The disadvantage of the piston stroke is that it is more complex (utilizes more parts/muscles), and therefore is more prone to small errors. A pendulum stroke is a dead straight line, because your elbow is a hinge (unless you screw the swing up by involving the shoulder or gripping too tightly). The piston stroke may or may not be a straight line, depending the individual. Pendulum stroke = KISS

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

If my elbow drops after contact is that considered pendulum or piston ?

 

[Scott Lee]

ronsuba...If your elbow goes up or down, regardless of when, it is not a pendulum stroke. If it happens after contact (impossible to tell without slow motion/stop action video review), it only means that you are not having "issues" with accuracy on the CB, but it's still uncessary to perform the shot, whatever it is. Involving the shoulder (elbow drop) is a choice, not a necessity.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

If my elbow drops after contact is that considered pendulum or piston ?

 

[ENGLISH!]

English...Do you realize that Keebie's (greyghost) post is 2 1/2 years old, and he no longer lives in LA? BTW, since I taught him the cradle grip, I think I'm qualified to answer your question.

There are no advantages to the piston stroke. Most people who use it believe mistakenly that the tip stays in contact with the CB longer, so they think they get more "stuff"...more draw, more power, etc. That's a myth. The CB is gone off the tip in 1/1000th of a second. The disadvantage of the piston stroke is that it is more complex (utilizes more parts/muscles), and therefore is more prone to small errors. A pendulum stroke is a dead straight line, because your elbow is a hinge (unless you screw the swing up by involving the shoulder or gripping too tightly). The piston stroke may or may not be a straight line, depending the individual. Pendulum stroke = KISS

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Have a nice trip Mr. Lee. Yes I did know Keebie is no longer in La. That is why I asked him if he is eating well. And... yes I did notice his post was in 2010, but with the bump & subject matter I thought HE might see it & respond to my REQUEST & chime in with HIS non judgemental opinions. Thanks for asking.

 

[Scott Lee]

LOL...Nonjudgemental? That's actually funny. The information I stated is truth, not speculation or opinion. But that's okay, you apparently don't really
want an answer that doesn't agree with your viewpoint, I'm guessing. Hard to know that though, since you didn't offer any. Oh, and btw, I just talked to him, and he is coming back to LA next week, so maybe he will answer you.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Have a nice trip Mr. Lee. Yes I did know Keebie is no longer in La. That is why I asked him if he is eating well. And... yes I did notice his post was in 2010, but with the bump & subject matter I thought HE might see it & respond to my REQUEST & chime in with HIS non judgemental opinions. Thanks for asking.