DeeDeeCues
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He explicitly said he would only buy from known makers in another thread within the last two weeks.
Guerra Vs. Tonkin
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He explicitly said he would only buy from known makers in another thread within the last two weeks.
DeeDeeCues
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Post in thread 'The Best Affordable Cuemakers Today?' https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/the-best-affordable-cuemakers-today.563546/post-7793024
I am basing it on the horrible job on a custom cue my friend ordered from him and the ensuing bullshit excuses.
The ring work was awful and his attempt to correct it was awful. The cue should have never have shipped from his shop. I spoke with him personally and told him it was sloppy workmanship. I talk the walk and walk the talk….no BS.
Cohen makes outstanding cues in both design and features. His workmanship has steadily gotten better and better.
When I got my first cue from Bob Owen, his reputation was for cue making was disguised by the name Shurtz Cues.
But I knew he’d be great after we spoke and that was in 2013. Over the past decade, he has soared to being heralded
as a great cue maker and he truly is. But when I selected him, his reputation and recognition wasn’t what it is today.
I was praising Garten Bierbower years ago after Bob Farr showed us photos of his cue workmanship. I had no idea whom he was but I could tell he was top notch. And know what? I can spot inferior, crappy cue workmanship even faster.
You don’t have to be an established name to get my business. You just have to be a person of integrity and demonstrate you can build a quality made pool cue. I can’t build a cue but I sure know when it is well made.
By the way, it is not the same cue every time. The cues were my personal designs, not the cue maker’s. The fact that there are multiple cues from Jerry Rauenzahn and Bob Owen are because they made great cues the first time for me and I repeated doing business with them within a month of receiving their cues. And one of the Owen cues is a 6 pointer. And the designs are very different in butt sleeves. Tim Scruggs and Ed Prewitt cues are hard to come by, especially a radial flat ivory joint cue made by Tim. You’re right about one thing. The cues in my signature were crafted by world class cue makers and I only stopped ordering cues because I abide by the ivory ban passed in July 2016. If you really think all my cues look alike, just browse through the Blue Book of Cues. I’m not alone in this regard because imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Flakeandrun
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Flakeandrun
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Will DM to anyone who wanna see them later when I have a minuteThese are the pics I want to see
The original poster said which cue maker would you recommend to build a custom cue under $1500.
I never mentioned a single cue maker in my reply posted on this thread and in fact, confined my reply
to the cue makers that others named in their posts. I merely said that for a top name in cue making,
the orig. poster’s budget was a bit shy and more like another $500 should be added to his budget for
the cue makers other forum members recommended. I never offered nor suggested any cue makers.
I further stated that for that much money, cue makers should earn their stripes before I’d entrust them
with $2k. That’s serious money for most people and I’d want to confirm the cue maker earned his
stripes before I’d entrust him with my cash. But even when the cue maker is unknown to me or just a
newbie, if the pool cues are built really well, they can earn my business. I trust my knowledge about cues.
Flakeandrun
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Not buying it directly, I am a little put off buying direct from anyone at this point. Some of the stories on here! This will be a second hand purchase (with all the necessary detail/info etc)
Flakeandrun
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If I had that kind of skrilla in my pocket I would haha
Flakeandrun
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This thread took an interesting direction. Both cues are already built. One is 'as new' never even had a test hit. One is played in a little. Was just asking advice in general.
As it turns out, I might be able to travel and see the other cue this weekend. Trying to work it in now, as it's a F good deal.
I have posted on Az for a very long time and many of my posts discussed cue making and key considerations.
I’m finished with this thread and yourself. You apparently have your own thoughts about cue making and find
fault with my opinions. Know what? Most people don’t give a hoot what you or I post. So let’s just stop now.
DeeDeeCues
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Yeah, you can't build cues and you can't provide any science to back your claims about weight distribution. Most of a quality cue comes from shit you can't see. Anyone, even predator and moochieee, can make a cue that looks good
smiling_Hans
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Plain Jane are still the best cues to play with. They are not structurally manipulated. I equate these elaborate cues to Swiss cheese and the inlays are there to fill the holes. While fancy, the cue is compromised.
I still think maple pain Jane are the best shooters since nothing is compromised.
It’s fun to talk about.
I still think maple pain Jane are the best shooters since nothing is compromised.
It’s fun to talk about.
You want proof…..Do what I said…..Look at the weight proportionality I’ve preached for years……the best cue makers were steadfast in their building cues. I’m surprised and startled you apparently do not since your handle refers to cues. And the cue makers I learned this from are legendary masters of their craft. Tsh Tsh…..you have a lot more to learn….GL.
DeeDeeCues
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As far as the ball is concerned, the cue is just a mass hitting it. Weight distribution doesn't matter in that regard.
You are most comfortable with your 78/22 weight distribution, so that works for you. Are you comfortable with that because that is what you always used? What if you were six inches taller and held the cue at different positions? Would you still prefer that?
I'm not aware of any studies that any of your legends have done. Them always doing it is very much the opposite of science. You obviously don't know what science is, so stop preaching BS that is based on 'how it's always been done'.
You are proud of your cues, great, you should be, they were made by great craftspeople. Just stop spouting garbage that you can't back up with anything more than tradition.
would you ask me which girl sitting at the bar is prettier to ask out for a date?
i hope not
use your own instincts and preferences
jmho
icbw
be happy with your choice...
when in doubt you can't go wrong with a threesome
also applicable to cues
after a fair audition you can cull one of the cues
Tradition……..Okay……I cease and desist……that may be the dumbest remark I’ve ever heard when it comes to cue building that suggests heralded names in cue making do the same thing because of tradition. It suggests that these still active famous names in cue making basically function depending upon established habits spanning decades and decades of crafting remarkably wonderful, highly touted pool cues. It suggests these cue makers are what?
Lazy, maybe incapable of changing, stubborn, stuck in their ways, closed minded, impervious to new ideas or concepts…. Let’s stop & end the debate here and now. When you come up with the greatest cue makers build cues a particular way because of tradition that spans……70-80 yrs.of cue making, very likely longer……and never figured out a better way to improve cue making is so off the wall, debating is absolutely fruitless. You win….I concede…..you are the cue expert.
smiling_Hans
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You won.