Gus On Ebay

Purdman said:
How much do you think this cue is worth?
How much do you think it will go for?
Are any of you collectors going for it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gus-Szamboti-Po...222740603QQcategoryZ21212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Purdman:eek:

This kind of thread may upset some people who may be negotiating behind the scenes.

For that reason, I will say that I'm just guessing here. I have no solid experience with buying or selling Gus Szamboti cues. I am not qualified to value Szamboti cues, but I do keep an eye out for transactions to develop a guesstimates. I could be WAY off!

Although the cue itself looks pretty basic, it really has a few details to set it apart in my mind. The condition, the leather wrap, and the ivory ferrules make this cue special. The shipping box is very intriguing - that's a fantastic collector's prize addition to this cue. Original leather wraps by Gus are a real find. This period was also the height of Gus' cue making skills. To me, personally, the leather wrap in original condition is also a big deal. To find a fine example of his leather work sets the cue apart from others with linen which would be much more common.

It just would have been nice if this cue had an ivory joint.

I think the package is worth $6,500. How I arrived at that, the cue itself about $5,000, the packaging and paperwork about $1500.

If someone here were interested in buying this cue, they would not be very smart to post their intentions here. However, I would be tempted to jump in and bid if it doesn't reach a decent price level, but I am very confident that it will.

Chris
 
Depends on where it sells - IMO

If it sells overseas - The sky's the limit.
Here in the states - Maybe between $12K - $20K
Looks pretty good and original to me. Nice Cue!

TY & GL, OHB
 
I have my eSnipe set to fight it out! Haha! Just kidding!

Love the box and documentation, but looking for a cue with veneers...
 
I am not interested in buying it. Just wondering what it might go for. Thanks you for your honest opinions.
Purdman
 
My guess (with my limited cue knowledge): It will end at less than $6k. Maybe $5600. Unless people snipe-war at the end.

Funny, but I never bid on anything that I really want (until the end).... I don't want to drive the price up. I always e-snipe now. Why bid and run it up on yourself??
 
My guess is that this auction will go the way many of the others have of late......pulled before it ends ~!~!~!~!~!

Sean
 
Tate's Evaluation

I think that Chris Tate's evaluation of the cue and documentation is pretty spot on.

The cue is a beautiful, simple WIDOW, in great shape, with no veneers, but also no stitch work.

Considering that I know of a beautifully veneered and stitch collared Gus that sold recently for $5,000, which was a very good deal but not a steal IMHO as it was otherwise plain, Chris is probably right that this cue should bring the same, with the leather wrap and all.

However, I don't think the ivory ferrules add that much, as all of my original Gus shafts have them.

The box and documentation adds maybe a grand in value for me, but I do think that it will mean more to someone else.

It's a great package.

The real question is how much will it prove to be worth to someone?

I had a really nice talk with the seller, who is selling it for a friend. He truly believes that because he found no Gus cues available, and due to the fact that he had received 70+ e-mails within an hour or two of listing it, and because of the hundreds of people watching it, that it would spark a bidding war and bring in excess of $10,000.

Now...I told him exactly WHY I did not think this would occur, as the truly knowledgeable collectors, not to mention the dealers who sell to them, all have pretty good access to Gus cues, and that they can buy a lot more cue than this cue for 10K.

Now...having said that...if you had told me that on a no reserve auction with 8 days and 20 hours left that it would already be bid up to $4,494.44 with that much time left...I woulda' just shook my head (as I just did) in disbelief.

For 2 reasons:

1. Maybe the guy is right about the $10K.

and

2. WHY ON EARTH DOES EVERYONE WANT TO DO THEMSLEVES THE DISSERVICE OF RAISING THE PRICE SO HIGH, SO EARLY AND SO UNNECESSARILY?!

I agree with the previous post about not really understanding that "TACTIC".
It defies the basic canon of auction strategy, which is to wait until the end to show your hand, and by so doing also minimize your own negative affectation on the price for yourself, by bloating it early.

Now, I can see how some people might think that by raising the price so high, so early, on something that they really want badly, that they might scare away the pretenders.

But you are actually giving more power to the pretender's "Maximum Bids", because you are activating them with your own.

Again...I just don't get it.

Or, I can see how someone might be e-mailing or talking to the seller and trying to get them to agree to a price to end the auction early, and they are bidding a large enough amount to prove their sincerity and commitment to the item.

But in doing so they are activating all those other dormant Max Bids, and simply emboldening the seller to NOT want to make a deal with them, because then the auction is playing out just perfectly AS IS.

Or...perhaps it's just a case of getting caught up in the excitement of the hunt...and an opportunity to see their name up in lights, wrapped in the momentary GLORY as the high bidder on such a magnificent item.

Of course, the glory of that high bid so early on in an auction's run, may prove to soon price that very bidder out of an item that if everyone had been a little more patient on, they might have actually had a shot at.

Either way, it is not advantageous in an auction setting...for anyone. Except the seller.

The US dollar is still pretty weak in many big markets. I'm sure that someone in Japan is just salivating at the opportunity to watch us go at one another, like grown kids on a schollyard wanting to prove that we are real players, so that we can knock one, and then another and then another of ourselves off the list of practical bidding, leaving it for those to whom 10,000 US dollars really is only like $5,000 to them.

Or Chris and I may end up being right...the bidding may level off now as people will stop testing the waters of who has already made a commitment to what maximum bid, and settle in to what the real, true market value is for a Gus Merry Widow, with a Gus leather wrap and a really nice box and documents set.

However, if the bidding does go crazy and it does surpass my wildest expectations and reaches anywhere near 10 grand, I will be happy for the seller, happy for the buyer because they obviously REALLY WANTED IT BAD, I will assume that the APOCALYPSE IS NEAR, and I will immediately consider posting and selling my much fancier Gus and its original shipping tube, in hopes of paying off the remaining 27 years of my 30 year mortgage.

THE END IS NEAR.

Cain
 
Purdman said:
How much do you think this cue is worth?
How much do you think it will go for?
Are any of you collectors going for it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gus-Szamboti-Po...222740603QQcategoryZ21212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Purdman:eek:

what i think doesnt really matter, but what i know is anything under $30,000

is a steal and i base this soley on the under valued boti, bushka market and a

few others.

lets see if anyone is willing to pay $500 to $1000 for any palmer considering its one in 100,000 ...... the gus 1 in 1200 mmmmmmm....

boy i hope tate doesnt see this:D

oooh.... oooh or how about $100 to $500 for any meucci..... 1 in 1,000,000

and the gus 1 in 1200 mmmmm somethings just dont make sence.
 
Purdman said:
How much do you think this cue is worth?
How much do you think it will go for?
Are any of you collectors going for it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gus-Szamboti-Po...222740603QQcategoryZ21212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Purdman:eek:

Cue is in great shape, big plus, shipping tube and business card, leather wrap all plus'

Negative - no veneers, one of Gus' trademarks, silver collar ring at joint is plain

All that being said, I would value the cue at 4500 and the box and card at 2k. The shame is this is a PLAYERS cue, no frills. Its a shame its in this nice of shape. This is a cue I would like to see a little more play in so there is no guilt when you play some racks. Now if you are investing, 20-30years down the road, and you don't play with it, then its a different game.

Joe
 
A Player's Cue Indeed

I agree, Joe.

In fact, I hope that whoever buys this cue does play with it.

Carefully so, of course.

The best hitting cue that I own is a Gus. I think the beauty of these cues is that they are a form of functional art.

If you completely take away the function...then you displace them a bit from the overall from of their original intent.

Based on the few Gus cues that I own, I have to believe that hit was as equally important to him as asthetic beauty.

Your price is in line with Chris', just calculated with different given values for each item of the package.

I can't wait for MeryLane's perspective on the true value of these under valued Gus cues to become a reality. When it does, I WILL SELL all but one and I will pay off my mortgage. Until then though, I will enjoy that...at least for now...I can still afford to buy them. Unlike my house, which I am stuck with now, because I can't afford to move, and I certainly couldn't afford to buy my house again now, just 10 years later.

So, instead of buying a new house this year...I bought a Gus instead.

I wonder what this player's Gus will be worth in 10 years?

Better to play with it now, and worry about that later.

Cain
 
A friend has a Gus bought in late 70's. It has 3 veneers and windows in the butt. He has the original box and receipt and Felini case. Barry said the box could be worth near 2k and the cue at appx 8k which was a few years ago.

My freind wanted Barry to make one just like it but I doubt he ever did since his old lady will not let him play pool. When I saw it last it was in excellent condition. What a waste.

Rod
 
gus

1000 for the box and card, 4500 for the cue. Hey Tate, if this cues worth 10, your cue's worth 15. I'm still in shock, if you know what I mean. Talk to you soon.
Greg
 
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My Gus May 31, 1988

QUOTE=Purdman]How much do you think this cue is worth?
How much do you think it will go for?
Are any of you collectors going for it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gus-Szamboti-Po...222740603QQcategoryZ21212QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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i notice that ur "last" cue from Szam has a major flaw that drastically reduced the cue to less than half the price. that would be the smudge!! on address...Such defects has been known to cost big on collections...

To save you of your agony, i propose taking it off your hands for 2k .. Chuck, curator of the cuemuseum says hi btw..

What are frens for anyway.. :)

Bgrds
Raist
 
The Nuts

Now THAT cue's THE NUTS!!

VERY NIIIIIIIIICCCCEEEEE!

Strong, simplistic elegance.

Just aching to be played for so long now.

You should post it on eBay...just for fun...with no intention of actually selling it.

It would so funny. A Cue Blocker.

It would take so much wind out of the sails of that other cue, and have the committed high bidder seriously caught in the cross-hairs of an actual CONUNDRUM.

And then take it off the next morning...like it was all just a DREAM.
 
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