Half-Joint?

JusticeNJ

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I did a search but couldn't find anything on it. I know what a half-joint is visually, but don't know the reasons behind constructing one.

So, my question is, what is a half joint? Why build a cue with one? Does making one out of different material make more of a difference than if it were a bigger joint? in other words, will a steel 1/2 joint play differently than a regular ol' SS?

justin.
 
i think my point was i have no idea. i've seen pictures of cues in the wanted for sale gallery that said "half joint" and the joint appeared smaller in height or length. Also I forget where but I read "Dennis Searing has constructed his own steel half joint." so, whats a half joint?

justin.
 
My interpretation of a half joint is one that is half an inch long as a standard length is one inch...
 
i thought the half joint was supposed to provide more feel since they standard full joints are stainless steel, it kills a lot of the feel from the shaft into the butt so cuemakers started using half joints? i dont know about the construction methods but thats what i was told in some earlier posts about this.
 
So if by half joint they mean 1/2" instead of 1" long then the answer to your question is: Yes it will play a little differently, but not dramatically. It does eliminate a little of the front weight and most build the 1/2" steel joint flat faced which gives a little different feel than the piloted joint.
 
the half joint he is refering to is the phenolic rings sleeved over the ss joint. the ss is still 1 inch long but half of it is under the phenolic rings. i hear they play good but i dont like the way they look personally. i need my 1inch joint. some makers mimic the looks but few built it the right way. searing and -R- are two in know
 
dave sutton said:
the half joint he is refering to is the phenolic rings sleeved over the ss joint. the ss is still 1 inch long but half of it is under the phenolic rings. i hear they play good but i dont like the way they look personally. i need my 1inch joint. some makers mimic the looks but few built it the right way. searing and -R- are two in know
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I'm sorry but, WHAT???

I'm sure this will be another classic and I just had to quote it before it got away.......for posterity.

Dave,I'm not coming after you but you must admit, some of your posts are down-right entertaining.
 
JusticeNJ said:
I did a search but couldn't find anything on it. I know what a half-joint is visually, but don't know the reasons behind constructing one.

So, my question is, what is a half joint? Why build a cue with one? Does making one out of different material make more of a difference than if it were a bigger joint? in other words, will a steel 1/2 joint play differently than a regular ol' SS?

justin.
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My advice would be to send a PM to searingcue as he uses these on his cues. The only two that I know of are Dennis and Jerry Rauenzahn. I may have seen a Benson with one too.

Regards,
Koop
 

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thanks for the replies everyone, i appreciate the time taken to respond.

justin.
 
KJ Cues said:
I'm sorry but, WHAT???

I'm sure this will be another classic and I just had to quote it before it got away.......for posterity.

Dave,I'm not coming after you but you must admit, some of your posts are down-right entertaining.
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i dont understand sorry at all. its hard to understand sarcasm on the computer. if thats was the intent. :D

dennis was the inventor of this joint. i believe he said 1994. everyone else just copiedit. jerry rauenzahn and richard benson are the only 2 others that make it correctly. (forgot richard benson) sleeved over. you can buy 1/2in ss to mimic the look but the correct technology is sleeved.
 
If Benson did it then Searing did not invent it as Benson was making the short stainless steel joint before Searing was building cues. I owned a Benson and just thought it was a short stainless joint.
 
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i dont know much about richard benson but dennis and i were talking about this just yesterday and he said he started doing it in 1994. he says he was the first. maybe rb's werent sleeved but i was told they are.
 
dave sutton said:
i dont understand sorry at all. its hard to understand sarcasm on the computer. if thats was the intent. :D

dennis was the inventor of this joint. i believe he said 1994. everyone else just copiedit. jerry rauenzahn and richard benson are the only 2 others that make it correctly. (forgot richard benson) sleeved over. you can buy 1/2in ss to mimic the look but the correct technology is sleeved.
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I have to admit to a temporary lack of understanding on my part as I thought Dave had it bass-akwards; phenolic sleeved over the stainless. The more common method being stainless sleeved over phenolic which is the method most commonly seen today.

However, further thought on my part into the method described by Dave leads me to now believe that the method is do-able. I don't know that one way of doing it has advantage over the over. I think it boils down to a matter of personal preference. There are 'pros & cons' to both methods. At first, I wondered if it had to do with the pilot since a lot of today's 1/2 joints use a flat-face but the pilot can be used with both methods if so desired. Maybe it's a wght. factor issue or maybe it has to do with maintaining a traditional look, I don't know, decide for yourself. I have no intentions of using either method.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Dave. I didn't mean to sound like I was pulling your chain. I just didn't know.
 
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I'm not quite sure exactly how they both fit together technically speaking :sorry:

But, I can tell you that I've got a couple -R- SS half joint cues and my feeling is that they play/hit a little softer than a full (1") SS joint....I like the feel of the traditional SS jointed cues but, the 1/2 joint is just a little softer hit, IMHO.

As to a 1/2 joint Ivory joint, I only have one which again I would tell you plays/hits slightly softer than my TS or Whisler full Ivory jointed cues -- it's really a matter of personal preference IMHO and they both play very well -- it's not magic -- just what you prefer to feel and hear when you hit an object ball, if that makes any sense :)
 
krbsailing said:
I'm not quite sure exactly how they both fit together technically speaking :sorry:

But, I can tell you that I've got a couple -R- SS half joint cues and my feeling is that they play/hit a little softer than a full (1") SS joint....I like the feel of the traditional SS jointed cues but, the 1/2 joint is just a little softer hit, IMHO.

As to a 1/2 joint Ivory joint, I only have one which again I would tell you plays/hits slightly softer than my TS or Whisler full Ivory jointed cues -- it's really a matter of personal preference IMHO and they both play very well -- it's not magic -- just what you prefer to feel and hear when you hit an object ball, if that makes any sense :)
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well ken you will have another ivory 1/2'' joint soon:)

the gilbery plays good. not soft at all. stiff and solid with great feedback.
 
KJ Cues said:
I have to admit to a temporary lack of understanding on my part as I thought Dave had it bass-akwards; phenolic sleeved over the stainless. The more common method being stainless sleeved over phenolic which is the method most commonly seen today.

However, further thought on my part into the method described by Dave leads me to now believe that the method is do-able. I don't know that one way of doing it has advantage over the over. I think it boils down to a matter of personal preference. There are 'pros & cons' to both methods. At first, I wondered if it had to do with the pilot since a lot of today's 1/2 joints use a flat-face but the pilot can be used with both methods if so desired. Maybe it's a wght. factor issue or maybe it has to do with maintaining a traditional look, I don't know, decide for yourself. I have no intentions of using either method.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Dave. I didn't mean to sound like I was pulling your chain. I just didn't know.
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its cool i had a feeling you didnt understand. i dont know the advantages either. i love ss jointed cues personally. im not fond of the look of the half joint.
 
dave sutton said:
the half joint he is refering to is the phenolic rings sleeved over the ss joint. the ss is still 1 inch long but half of it is under the phenolic rings. i hear they play good but i dont like the way they look personally. i need my 1inch joint. some makers mimic the looks but few built it the right way. searing and -R- are two in know
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Thanks for the clarification...one ?...what is the standard diameter of the SS under the collar?? Maybe .750??
 
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