Hall of Fame Round...my thoughts

Shorty

Shorty

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I think this is not going to be a very hard round for the players that have advanced thus far to overcome, particularly in groups 2 and 3. However, with that being said, group 1 is EXTREMELY interesting with Hall and Reyes going into this group. I have a feeling an upset more than likely will come out of this group with one or both of these guys possibly stepping it up and advancing. I can safely say Busty and Manalo will dominate this round I have a feeling.

On another note, I really feel bad for Gabe Owen right now because of the GLI situation...he deserves to be going on, but thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

The funny thing to me is this...all the players that lost yesterday will make almost as much if not more than winning a major tournament.

It's nice dipping into KT's pockets eh IPT players?

Shorty
 
I agree totally, the HoF'rs are in deep trouble, I am thinking the 6 players to advance through all the rounds to date are now well in stroke and have the confidence of previous wins and progression under their belt and are going to walk all over the cold HoF'rs. The Hall and Reyes one is likely the most interesting bracket as you said, but so far Ray Martin beat Reyes, and that is not a good sign for the Reyes fans.

As for the Owen robbery. I am with you on not liking the progression mechanism. After round 2 I am not sure how in the heck Williams did not advance to the third round.

Williams had the same 2-2 record of matches won but what should be the second deciding factor is the games won and Williams had 11 wins in his loosing matches. Gabe had 9 wins in his loosing matches, and Cory had 5 total wins in his loosing matches. So in total wins over the course of that round Williams had 27 wins, Gabe had 25 wins, and Cory had 21, and the guy with the least number of wins advanced? Plus Williams had 12 B&R's in that round, second only to Mika. He also gave up a total of 5 games combined in his losses, Gabe and Cory both gave up more.

I dont have any idea how Cory advanced, he was basically the lowest player of all 3 and in virtually ever fashion I can see Williams was the top player of those 3. And I am NOT a Williams fan at all and would much rather see Cory there, but not through some moronic system like we have with the IPT. Williams deserved to advance.
 
Another way to do it would be to just play each match up as 10 games period and let the record stand where it stands. In other words every player would play the exact same amount of games and then the W/L percentage be the first criteria with break and runs being second.

John
 
My thoughts on the HOF round, well, sadly not one HOF will advance, but hey $30,000 for showing up is nothing to sneeze at.
 
Don't count Reyes out yet

SlimShafty said:
My thoughts on the HOF round, well, sadly not one HOF will advance, but hey $30,000 for showing up is nothing to sneeze at.
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He's a HOFer and even with that one loss from Martin, he is still in contention and very much a threat in his group.
 
kep2 said:
He's a HOFer and even with that one loss from Martin, he is still in contention and very much a threat in his group.
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I know, even Varner and Hall have fair shot and I think Reyes will advance, but the problem there is, looks like Corey and Mika are not having any problems beating the other 3 HOF's in that round, so even if Reyes wins against Dodson and Hall, he will have to beat Mika and Corey. Hopefully Hall will kick it up a notch and beat one of them.

I hope it's close.
 
SlimShafty said:
I know, even Varner and Hall have fair shot and I think Reyes will advance, but the problem there is, looks like Corey and Mika are not having any problems beating the other 3 HOF's in that round, so even if Reyes wins against Dodson and Hall, he will have to beat Mika and Corey. Hopefully Hall will kick it up a notch and beat one of them.

I hope it's close.
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Looks like Corey lost to Hall. That seems like the opening Reyes needs. Assuming Reyes wins out, he's sure to advance. He has to get past Mika of course. Reyes shutting out Dodson gives him the best GLI out of the group, which definitely helps his cause.
 
Celtic said:
I agree totally, the HoF'rs are in deep trouble, I am thinking the 6 players to advance through all the rounds to date are now well in stroke and have the confidence of previous wins and progression under their belt and are going to walk all over the cold HoF'rs. The Hall and Reyes one is likely the most interesting bracket as you said, but so far Ray Martin beat Reyes, and that is not a good sign for the Reyes fans.

As for the Owen robbery. I am with you on not liking the progression mechanism. After round 2 I am not sure how in the heck Williams did not advance to the third round.

Williams had the same 2-2 record of matches won but what should be the second deciding factor is the games won and Williams had 11 wins in his loosing matches. Gabe had 9 wins in his loosing matches, and Cory had 5 total wins in his loosing matches. So in total wins over the course of that round Williams had 27 wins, Gabe had 25 wins, and Cory had 21, and the guy with the least number of wins advanced? Plus Williams had 12 B&R's in that round, second only to Mika. He also gave up a total of 5 games combined in his losses, Gabe and Cory both gave up more.

I dont have any idea how Cory advanced, he was basically the lowest player of all 3 and in virtually ever fashion I can see Williams was the top player of those 3. And I am NOT a Williams fan at all and would much rather see Cory there, but not through some moronic system like we have with the IPT. Williams deserved to advance.
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It's my understanding that the method for determining the advancing players is first the player's match won/loss record during the round, then it goes to GLI in the case of a tie. Round 2 GLI's included stats from Round 1. Charlie's GLI from Round 1 was a rather high 6.80, which he simply couldn't overcome in Round 2, even though he brought it down to a 6.11.

I agree that this system doesn't seem to make much sense, as KT has said over and over that he wants the best players to win. That's why he chose slow cloth, Diamonds, etc. If he really does want the best players to win, his scoring system is going to need some tweaking, or he needs to redefine what "best player" means.

-djb
 
Nick Varner just smoked Nick Van den Berg 8-2. That's saying something since Van den Berg has been one of the toughest to beat in the tournament so far. I'd be surprised if less than two HOF'ers get through to the final round. Oh, and that's counting Efren, of course.
 
lewdo26 said:
Nick Varner just smoked Nick Van den Berg 8-2. That's saying something since Van den Berg has been one of the toughest to beat in the tournament so far. I'd be surprised if less than two HOF'ers get through to the final round. Oh, and that's counting Efren, of course.
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Wow, apparently the old guns still carry a fair amount of gunpowder. Too bad for Nick... I mean v/d Berg :rolleyes:
 
kidrock said:
Efren just lost to Deuel... i'll be damned :(
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Yeah, too bad. However, Efren still has a pretty good chance of advancing. He obviously has to win his next two matches against Mika and Hall. He also needs Corey to lose to either Martin or Mika. If those two things happen, Efren might advance due if he ends up with a lower GLI. Here's to hoping. He has to get past a red hot Mika though.
 
Things are getting interesting....

If Hall beats Dodson and Reyes, he will most likely advance ahead of Corey, even if he doesn't beat Reyes, if Corey loses to Immonen he could still get by.

If Varner beats West and Jones, he too may advance ahead of Van Den Berg.

And good old Jim Rempe has a shot if he beats Archer and Massey.


I think Varner has the best chance to advance at this point.
 
SlimShafty said:
Things are getting interesting....

If Hall beats Dodson and Reyes, he will most likely advance ahead of Corey, even if he doesn't beat Reyes, if Corey loses to Immonen he could still get by.

If Varner beats West and Jones, he too may advance ahead of Van Den Berg.

And good old Jim Rempe has a shot if he beats Archer and Massey.


I think Varner has the best chance to advance at this point.
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That is the time when the GLI question become really important for the non-HOFer like, e.g., Van Den Berg.
 
DoomCue said:
It's my understanding that the method for determining the advancing players is first the player's match won/loss record during the round, then it goes to GLI in the case of a tie. Round 2 GLI's included stats from Round 1. Charlie's GLI from Round 1 was a rather high 6.80, which he simply couldn't overcome in Round 2, even though he brought it down to a 6.11.
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Thats where the problem lies then. The carrying over of GLI is inept. People playing in the second round groups are playing from DIFFERENT round 1 groups so carrying over the GLI of one person in a hard round 1 group and another person that was in an easy round 1 group makes no common sense or logic at all. You would think KT would realize this...
 
Celtic said:
Thats where the problem lies then. The carrying over of GLI is inept. People playing in the second round groups are playing from DIFFERENT round 1 groups so carrying over the GLI of one person in a hard round 1 group and another person that was in an easy round 1 group makes no common sense or logic at all. You would think KT would realize this...
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Yeah, I actually didn't have as much of a problem with the GLI until I found out it was going to be carried over and not just the GLI of that round. If your trying to break a tie in that group it should have something to do with how you did against those players, not what you have done in the last rounds or eventually I guess from past tournaments.
 
Celtic said:
Thats where the problem lies then. The carrying over of GLI is inept. People playing in the second round groups are playing from DIFFERENT round 1 groups so carrying over the GLI of one person in a hard round 1 group and another person that was in an easy round 1 group makes no common sense or logic at all. You would think KT would realize this...
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Well, there actually is some logic to carrying it over to the next round. However, this logic has nothing to do with fairly rating the performance of a player, but everything to do with preventing cheating. The motive is to prevent players from purposely losing racks such that they these losses would adversely affect them in future rounds.

Again, it's still a stupid thing to do, cuz it unfairly penalizes the players coming from more difficult groups. Yes, the whole system is stupid, as you can see from the two other GLI threads that have popped up.
 
jsp said:
Yeah, too bad. However, Efren still has a pretty good chance of advancing. He obviously has to win his next two matches against Mika and Hall. He also needs Corey to lose to either Martin or Mika. If those two things happen, Efren might advance due if he ends up with a lower GLI. Here's to hoping. He has to get past a red hot Mika though.
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Immonen will be advancing to the next round with his recent win over Deuel. Reyes just blanked Hall.
Things are getting very interesting for Reyes, Deuel and Hall. They are all tied at 2-2 each. Last match-up for them will be:

Reyes - Immonen ( crunch time for Efren! )
Deuel - Martin ( with Deuel favored to win )
Hall - Dodson ( with Hall favored to win )

Another GLI scenario again in the making!
 
If Efren beats Immonen, he will advance, even if Duel wins his match, what an important match!

Efren 2-2 if he wins GLI will be 4.60 even if he wins 8-7 over Immonen
Duel 2-2 if he wins GLI 5.50 even if he wins 8-0 against Martin
Immonen 4-0 advances no matter what

Of course this is one of those cases Immonen could give him the match in a deal since it will not effect him advancing, BUT there is no way in the world that will happen because Immonen knows every game he loses will effect his GLI and effect his chance to advance in another round or the next tournament, Immonen will want to win like 8-2, no way he wants to lose 8 games!

So I guess the GLI in this instance works to prevent this, but hey a winning % would accomplish the same thing, and seems would be easier for the average sports fan to understand.

So the GLI will work the way they intended it to in this case.
 
In the next round the 6 players will play 5 matches. The GLI will play a very important role in figuring the positition for payouts and there is a HUGE amount of money.

There will be a $10,000 difference between each position (3rd thru 7th) NO ties.

King of the Hill Champion - $200,000
2nd Place - $100,000

All of these postions will be decided by w-l records in the final round-robin matches. It will go down to the GLI for some or all of these postions.

It's not how many games you win, but how well you won each game... Break and Runs and the 8 on the Break are premium wins and should be rewarded as such.
3rd Place - $ 70,000
4th Place - $ 60,000
5th Place - $ 50,000
6th Place - $ 40,000
7th Place - $ 30,000
 
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