Hatred for jump cues.

[JB Cases]

Can't rep you as usual jb cuz I musta repped you for something else recently. Seems like I'm always running into that.

A minor thing I wanted to reply to is that I only meant that a safe result after a jump usually seems like luck, not the jump itself. I know that making the ball is a matter of skill and you can change how much draw etc. to put on it.

But I can't remember seeing anything that looked like an intentional jump safety. Whereas safe results from kicks are often clearly planned. The point being that it's nuts when people imply jumps replace years of kicking experience. Safety kicking is a huge part of high level 9b/10b and you can practice jumps all day and not be able to get the same results as some common simple kick safeties.

also -

Re: you can learn kicks in half an hour... while I don't agree with the haters who see jumps as a quick 30 minute replacement to thousands of hours of kicking practice... It's overdoing it to say you can learn kicking just as quickly as jumping.

Kicking has more variables to learn and deal with. For example in Grady's "only kicks" video I think he has over 90 kicks, and while it's not 90 different diamond systems or anything, it's definitely more than you can learn in half an hour. He's cramming all 90 into an hour and that's showing each type only once.

If you watch the players I have taught then you will see jump safeties. Kelly Fisher played a couple herself in the Amway Cup recently.

When I said you can learn to kick in 30 minutes then I was speaking about the basics. I have seen Tom Rossmann take true bangers and give them the ability to kick one, two, and three rail kick shots in 30 minutes. If you don't believe that then ask Mark Smith, the owner of Beezer's Billiards in Russelville Arkansas and he will tell you what Rossmann did with his players. I have hired Tom to coach Kelly Fisher and Val Finnie for a private lesson and witnessed the same thing.

Of course the nuance takes much longer. The same thing applies to jump shots.

Just a few days ago I spent an hour with the former Canadian women's champion. This is a person who can run out from anywhere. Before giving her a lesson she was fairly decent with the jump cue. In the space of an hour I expanded her skill by teaching her several different ways to stroke and aim and read the shots. Now she understands how to practice the various shots and when to use different techniques and strokes in regards to the jump shot.

I think it's truly time that we just separate the two aspects of the game. Kicking is part of the game that is separate and distinct from jumping. Both require skills, both have a lot of depth. Both are easy to learn and hard to master.

 

[ARROWCRUSHER]

IN MY OPINION IT DOES TAKE ALOT OF SKILL TO KICK BALLS, TO BE MADE OR A SAFE. JUST SOME TIMES IT IS JUST WORKS OUT BETTER TO JUMP TO MAKE A GOOD HIT OR TO POCKET YOUR BALL. IT TAKES LOTS OF PRACTICE TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH AND COME OUT THE WAY YOU PLAN, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS ALOT OF LUCK IN BOTH !!!!:thumbup: