Have you given up on the IPT?

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Dogwindy

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Just wondered how many of you guys have given up hope of the IPT working out.

I sure hope it does, and still remain slightly optimistic that things can be turned around. And no its not because of KT's spiel or HO interactive. More of blind hope that it does for the better of pool.

Or should we all just get on with our lives and put the ipt to bed and move on lol
 
I am still hopeful for the sake of professional billiards.
 
I believe Deno is a person of integrity and I trust that he would do everything he can to make the IPT a success.

I watched how he ran the tournament, and have spoken to him. I just cannot imagine Deno to be someone who would quit without giving his very best. He striked me as a prefectionist, and I have faith in him.

I would give the IPT the benefit of doubt, and a bit more time. I am very optimistic that they will work things out and carry on.

I also believe the IPT is good for pool, and all the pool players. Blaming and making fun of the IPT, in my opinion, is not going to help the players nor will it do anything to popularize pool.

It is a big project to organize something as big as the IPT, and it requires a lot of cashflow. I am not sure why there is a delay and I do not want to speculate.

I have a lot of respect for someone who actually has the vision and determination to offer pool players something with a payout so lucrative, and I sincerely hope that they will keep it going.

This is my opinion.

Richard
 
Looks over to me. I doubt everybody will get paid :( It was exciting for pool while it lasted. I have not seen so much excitement for pool in my life. Too bad it did not last another season or two.
 
Call me stubborn

Call me stubborn if you will, but I prefer to keep my little bit of hope that the IPT will go on.......I won't believe it's over until it's over......
 
I believe that the IPT was started with great intentions. But, some of the worst things imagineable were started with great intentions....

Southpaw
 
Dogwindy said:
Just wondered how many of you guys have given up hope of the IPT working out.

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Pert near but not plumb.

Did you read the interview with Deno in Inside Pool? Seems he made one great flawed assumption. Treat the players with respect and they will in turn respect you.

Now that we can clear away the glitz and glitter just what is it that the people who are owed $5,000 do for the IPT that they deserve that money?

For that matter, what did any of the players do to promote the Tour?

The players still have the Florida Pro Tour, I hope they wake up and start promoting that one or it too will go by the wayside.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Pert near but not plumb.

Did you read the interview with Deno in Inside Pool? Seems he made one great flawed assumption. Treat the players with respect and they will in turn respect you.

Now that we can clear away the glitz and glitter just what is it that the people who are owed $5,000 do for the IPT that they deserve that money?

For that matter, what did any of the players do to promote the Tour?

The players still have the Florida Pro Tour, I hope they wake up and start promoting that one or it too will go by the wayside.

Jake
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I can't see where the players could have done much to help, the scale of this thing was too big. I am sure if they were booked on any TV shows or personal appearances they would have broken their backs to be there and done all they could to promote the IPT. They met every demand of the IPT and some were pretty unreasonable and did everything asked of them, I don't think there was much else they as players could have done.

According to KT at the meeting just prior to the tournament, everything was not only all roses but ahead of schedule and ratings were over the top, 100 plus sponsors were signing on, they had even turned down deals and were deciding what deals to accept. There was nothing to signal there was any problems and this was just 7 days prior to the nonpayment and excuses. There is no reason for there to even be a delay in payment if everything is as good as he claimed.

They have lied to the players from the go and to try to lay any of the blame at the doorstep of the players is a huge injustice to the players who have gone above and beyond to please the IPT. They have kissed ass from day one. There is only one place to put the blame if this thing folds and it is KT, Dino and MS. I will tell you right now what will happen sometime soon, KT will dump on MS and Dino as having misled him and try to make himself out as one of the victims, and you know what, he may be right.

That in no way relives him of any obligations though, he should not have pretended he could afford to underight this thing if he didn't have the money. Plenty of blame to go around and a lot of deceit on all sides.
 
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Now that we can clear away the glitz and glitter just what is it that the people who are owed $5,000 do for the IPT that they deserve that money?

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So we don't deserve that money? after putting in hours of practice, travelling half way across the world, paying entry fees, and 50 people paying 2000 to qualify,and paying to stay for a week in the hotel.

And after being promised , actually GUARANTEED 5000 for reno and 13000 for the year, you say we don't deserve the money?

Not to mention the players who progressed to the latter stages, sweating it out day after day, under the utmost of pressure playing for unprecedented prizemoney, and entertaining thousands (presumably hundreds of thousands ) of people on TV - Eurosport and OLN.

Jake, you're an imbicile, think before you type
 
Sorry Bher - it just slipped.

The answer to your question is no, no-one has yet.

Tammie Jones
 
So we don't deserve that money? after putting in hours of practice, travelling half way across the world, paying entry fees, and 50 people paying 2000 to qualify,and paying to stay for a week in the hotel.

And after being promised , actually GUARANTEED 5000 for reno and 13000 for the year, you say we don't deserve the money?

Not to mention the players who progressed to the latter stages, sweating it out day after day, under the utmost of pressure playing for unprecedented prizemoney, and entertaining thousands (presumably hundreds of thousands ) of people on TV - Eurosport and OLN.

Jake, you're an imbicile, think before you type
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I will go a lot farther then that. Before any players recived the first nickel from the IPT they were required to show up at the KOTH tournament for what ever reason at a cost of thousands for may of the players. The penalty for not showing, you are kicked off the, at that point phantom tour. Then many players rearranged schedules, maybe put jobs and personal plans on hold. Some bought tables and invested countless hours practicing and making personal sacrifice for what was still little more then a promise.

Attended the first tournament, again at great expense for many players putting them even deeper in the hole without yet having received the first nickel from the IPT. I am sure it became clear to most of the players that there would be no profit sharing or high paid personal appearances or much of anything else that had been promised beyond the prize money and now they are having to sweat that.

The players don't owe the IPT a thing at this point, they did everything asked of them and have been stabbed in the back for their efforts, even if they do receive the Reno money, nothing else has materialized and the dreams that were woven were all a lie, a big joke on the players.
 
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I think Mike should give me a bonus for all the new posters that want to jump into the fray here.

Anybody see Kevin lately? Any idea where he is? Is he in China working on a deal with Ho? What did Lipsky know that the rest of you did not know. Same question to Hall and Rempe and O'Sullivan. Did they see the writing on the wall? Or were they tipped off?

Yes the players all went to Orlando at their own expense all with the hope of great things to come. But face it, I am sure when they were alone with their inner friends they had their doubts that it would succeed. It was just too good to be true. But they went anyway. They made their own choice.

They were all rewarded at Vegas. They all had a good time and they all had a very good chance at some really big money. It all came down to how well they performed.

So, face it, you all got paid for being at Orlando at the Vegas tournament. I am sure you quickly cashed that check and laughed and still thought it was too good to be true. It can't last. It must be a dream. But you all still went to Reno. Well, most of you did.

So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone. You all came out ahead, and had a very good chance to really make some good money. Maybe Reyes, and Thorsten, and Archer, etal, will share some of their winnings with you.
They really have no room to ***** at all.

Most tournaments only pay the top 1/4 and the rest get nothing.

Every IPT player should ask him/herself what they actually did to help promote the Tour. Did they talk it up to prospective sponsors? Did they talk it up to fans to come and actually buy tickets. Did they promote the membership club? Did they do anything positive? Or were they only thinking of themselves?

Hey, it's only been 29 days. There is still hope. About as much hope as I have of beating the ghost.

Jake

PS Another benefit is look at all the players that will appear on TV on Versus. Plus the players who get to be play by play announcers. That might be another career direction for them. Especially Allison. I really thought she was great as an announcer. I think we will see a lot more of her there.
 
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jjinfla said:
So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone. You all came out ahead, and had a very good chance to really make some good money. Maybe Reyes, and Thorsten, and Archer, etal, will share some of their winnings with you.They really have no room to ***** at all.
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If there is never payment for the Reno tournament, then I think many people will not be ahead. Unless, of course, they hitchhiked to the tournament and brought there own sack lunch.
 
jjinfla said:
I think Mike should give me a bonus for all the new posters that want to jump into the fray here.

Anybody see Kevin lately? Any idea where he is? Is he in China working on a deal with Ho? What did Lipsky know that the rest of you did not know. Same question to Hall and Rempke and O'Sullivan. Did they see the writing on the wall? Or were they tipped off?

Yes the players all went to Orlando at their own expense all with the hope of great things to come. But face it, I am sure when they were alone with their inner friends they had their doubts that it would succeed. It was just too good to be true. But they went anyway. They made their own choice.

They were all rewarded at Vegas. They all had a good time and they all had a very good chance at some really big money. It all came down to how well they performed.

So, face it, you all got paid for being at Orlando at the Vegas tournament. I am sure you quickly cashed that check and laughed and still thought it was too good to be true. It can't last. It must be a dream. But you all still went to Reno. Well, most of you did.

So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone. You all came out ahead, and had a very good chance to really make some good money. Maybe Reyes, and Thorsten, and Archer, etal, will share some of their winnings with you.
They really have no room to ***** at all.

Most tournaments only pay the top 1/4 and the rest get nothing.

Every IPT player should ask him/herself what they actually did to help promote the Tour. Did they talk it up to prospective sponsors? Did they talk it up to fans to come and actually buy tickets. Did they promote the membership club? Did they do anything positive? Or were they only thinking of themselves?

Hey, it's only been 29 days. There is still hope. About as much hope as I have of beating the ghost.

Jake
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I think you have it backwards. They were told that WM agency was on the case and they just had to be ready for all the cash to start rolling in, $30,000 appearance fees and so on. What sponsors were the players going to approach? I doubt Tommy Kennedy was going to get them Honda as a sponsor. Before the first check arrived some of those players were in the hole probably more then ten grand, that's was a lot of faith to put in the words of that little fruit KT. Maybe he wisely appealed to their most powerful emotion, greed and it worked. Either way the players could not have on their own done anything to help. This fish rotted from the head.
 
Big surprise

Can anyone who has seen KT on TV be shocked that he is jobbing the players? From the get go didn't it smell? Did you listen to his promo at his web site? According to him, everything was not just looking rosy, it was going great! A tiger can't change his stripes and Kevin Trudeau will always be less than honest. I still hope the IPT makes it.
 
Did anybody ever hear that old saying:

If the deal looks too good to be true, then it usually is.

Another point to keep in mind.

If you want to get in on a deal that looks like a scam or pyramid make sure you are one of the early birds because they are the only ones who make out. The rest are the suckers whose money goes to the kingpin and some early birds.

Did anyone ever wonder why KT would want to just give away 28 million dollars? To pool players?

Did you really believe that you would all be guaranteed $100,000 next year just for showing up and playing pool? Or were you saying I will take the money this year and see what happens next year. A pension and free medical was a nice touch. I think greed took over common sense. Something every pool player should be aware of.

Let's face it. He pulled a fast one on everyone.

I still think he is going to write another book. Everyone here wants a good pool book. We are all waiting for McCready and his reveal all book. But KT's will be the book that reveals how he pulled one over on the world of pool.

Actually, none of you really believe anything I am saying. At least I hope you are not that guillible. I really think his plan just failed and now he is trying to salvage what he can.

Jake
 
bherchik said:
does anybody know if all the ipt.players from reno tournament have been paid?
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I think the more appropriate question would be "does anybody know if ANY of the IPT players from Reno have been paid yet?"


As for the IPT being dead, unless things somehow work out with Ho....the IPT was dead along time ago.
 
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