Have you known the butt of a cue 2 slightly warp in transit (through USPS 4 example)?

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justinb386

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Edit (update): I played with the cue for the 1st time tonight (after sanding off the sticky finish that was on it, with 1,000 grit sand paper), and I no longer care about the roll out in the cue, and the shaft feels really nice (and hits really great, in my opinion). I played better pool then I have played in a very long time (and won a local tournament here, with a pretty decent cash prize, this evening), and I am now very happy with the cue. It is an awesome cue in my opinion.

Very sorry for all of the mess that I have caused.

There really is not any reason for any of you to read any further.

I really regret creating this thread now.

Case closed (hopefully)

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Okay, so I recently purchased this cue, and just received it in the mail.

Upon rolling it on a few different pool tables, I can see light under the joint (and there is variance in the roll, in the joint area and part of the forearm).

The shaft rolls good and straight when attached to the butt, and the tip remains flat on the table (and there is really no taper roll in the shaft, due to the nice full stiff taper in the shaft), but there is a hair of variance in the roll under the joint area, and part of the forearm.

It is just a hair of a roll out, and you really need to be up close looking at it during the roll test, but I can see light under the joint and part of the forearm, and variance in the joint and forearm when the cue is rolled.

I contacted the seller, and he told me that he checked the roll before shipping the cue out, and it rolled just fine.

He told me that extreme temperature changes during transit could have caused the cue butt to warp a little, and that with time, it should return to being straight again.

I find this very hard to believe (since it was only in transit for 2 days, and it did go across the country, by air), but maybe it is true.

Have you ever known a cue butt to slightly warp during transit (within the US), and then straighten out after a certain amount of time (and if so, how long did it take to straighten out again)?

I am not wanting to possibly hurt the sellers rep on here (so not going to say who the seller is).

Just wanting to find out how true (what the seller told me) his info is, and what the odds are of this actually happening?

I really love the cue, but just kind of disappointed that the butt has a very slight warp in it.

Thanks for any info about this.
 
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Good grief...... :shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:
Do you have a job? Seriously?
 
First of all, rolling the butt on the table won't tell you a whole lot unless there is serious warpage. Short of putting it on a lathe, the next best option is leaning the button on the rail and rolling it. Place joint on rail a few inches past joint with only the butt cap on table. Roll it with and without shaft.

Wood moves all the time depending on temperature and humidity changes. I have a few cues that move back and forth a couple thousandths of an inch. Doesn't mean they are warped or terrible cues. In fact they are the best playing cues I've ever played with.
 
gutshot said:
First of all, rolling the butt on the table won't tell you a whole lot unless there is serious warpage. Short of putting it on a lathe, the next best option is leaning the button on the rail and rolling it. Place joint on rail a few inches past joint with only the butt cap on table. Roll it with and without shaft.

Wood moves all the time depending on temperature and humidity changes. I have a few cues that move back and forth a couple thousandths of an inch. Doesn't mean they are warped or terrible cues. In fact they are the best playing cues I've ever played with.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, it is not serious at all, but it is visible (light can be seen under the joint area and part of the forearm, and there is variance in the roll). The cue rolls pretty perfect other then that, but I was just worried about resale value.
 
Tim Scruggs told me the reason why a shaft or butt will warp is because the wood came from a tree that was grown on a hillside. As the tree grew, it struggled with the gravity pull to the downhill side. His personal experience with this resulted in many new shafts being scrapped 3 days after being made. He finally found a wood supplier in Canada that would give him Maple that was cut from flat level ground. This solved his problem with warping wood.
I once had a butt from a pretty nice cue that warped 1/2 inch in 3 months. It was never subject to extreme temperature. It took 23 years, but the manufacturer finally made good on it with a brand new cue. About 30 were on display and I was told to take my pick.
 
If it is just a hair and you have to look really hard to see it then what is the concern? I expect you could find something of similar magnitude wrong with any cue if you looked it over well enough.

I am very picky about my cues and this wouldn't bother me in the least (unless you are understating how much of a warp there is).

Complaints like this will lead to people not wanting to sell to you. If the complaint you are describing is accurate I wouldn't sell you anything. Complaints like this (and the request for handouts that normally come afterwards) are the reason I sell locally. I always meet in person and tell the buyer they can spend as much time as they need making sure it is what they want but there are no returns and no refunds (partial or full). That way I know there will be no BS afterwards.

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sixwillwin said:
Good grief...... :shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:
Do you have a job? Seriously?
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I was not going to post this, but since you think that I had no good reason to ask my question (maybe because you think that I have nothing else better to do with my time), here is a link to a video that I made of the cue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayY36YtFpA&feature=youtu.be

I imagine that you would be unhappy to if the seller advertised the cue as rolling straight, and then you received the cue in this condition. The cue has a very clear wobble in the butt (worse then I originally thought, after seeing the video that I created).
 
caff3in3 said:
If it is just a hair and you have to look really hard to see it then what is the concern? I expect you could find something of similar magnitude wrong with any cue if you looked it over well enough.

I am very picky about my cues and this wouldn't bother me in the least (unless you are understating how much of a warp there is).

Complaints like this will lead to people not wanting to sell to you. If the complaint you are describing is accurate I wouldn't sell you anything. Complaints like this (and the request for handouts that normally come afterwards) are the reason I sell locally. I always meet in person and tell the buyer they can spend as much time as they need making sure it is what they want but there are no returns and no refunds (partial or full). That way I know there will be no BS afterwards.

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Well, it is actually worse then I originally thought (after watching the video that I just uploaded to youtube). It is a very visible roll out that appears in part of the forearm and the shaft too. I would not have purchased the cue (in this condition) if I seen this in person. I am really sorry, but now I am honestly very upset about the cue. I did not think it was that bad before, but the video clearly shows a pretty visible warp in the cue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayY36YtFpA&feature=youtu.be
 
Buckzapper said:
Tim Scruggs told me the reason why a shaft or butt will warp is because the wood came from a tree that was grown on a hillside. As the tree grew, it struggled with the gravity pull to the downhill side. His personal experience with this resulted in many new shafts being scrapped 3 days after being made. He finally found a wood supplier in Canada that would give him Maple that was cut from flat level ground. This solved his problem with warping wood.
I once had a butt from a pretty nice cue that warped 1/2 inch in 3 months. It was never subject to extreme temperature. It took 23 years, but the manufacturer finally made good on it with a brand new cue. About 30 were on display and I was told to take my pick.
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This is true, and from my experience I typically have the most problems with keeping parts straight with lumber harvested from the outside of a bush. The wind the trees absorb cause case hardening and build tension in the tree and that tension shows up warping parts unexpectedly. It's important to know where your hardwood is harvested from and knowing your ideal moisture contents.


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If you are unhappy with it, return it. I'm fairly sure the Gentleman you purchased it from will take care of it. Also, by posting the Video, 80% of the people on here know who you purchased it from. Brian.
 
justinb386 said:
Well, it is actually worse then I originally thought (after watching the video that I just uploaded to youtube). It is a very visible roll out that appears in part of the forearm and the shaft too. I would not have purchased the cue (in this condition) if I seen this in person. I am really sorry, but now I am honestly very upset about the cue. I did not think it was that bad before, but the video clearly shows a pretty visible warp in the cue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayY36YtFpA&feature=youtu.be
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That's a pretty slight "warp", as you call it. Rolling a cue on a table isn't an indication of straightness. If the cue has any form of compound taper, it will roll weird. Also, there could be a high point on the finish that is making the cue roll a little off.

A few ways to check a cue for being straight are:
(1) put the butt of the cue on the table, the joint on the rail, and roll slowly. Look for an up and down anywhere along the cue.
(2) sight it like you're looking down a gun.
(3) have it turned slowly on a lathe between centres

I can understand your frustration, but a cue does not need to be perfectly straight to be able to play with it. Most cues have a slight raise here and there. You're talking about wood. Wood moves, and absorbs and releases moisture.

I can understand, though, given your OCD, that this must be driving you absolutely batshit crazy. I think you should stop looking for deals online, go to a brick and mortar, and buy a cue at full price that you can roll on a table, feel the shaft taper, etc. It's the only way you're going to be happy. For awhile, anyways.
 
Congrats
You were looking for a warped cue, and now you have one, in fact it's warped together and apart>>:smile:
Problem solved, but it sounds like you want to flip it before you can enjoy the warp...I mean the cue.
Man, you're a complicated little dude
 
after *so many* deals and attempted deals have resulted in such disappointment, it has to be time already for the op to take a long hard look in the mirror.

in the history of azb, has anyone ever been banned for nittiness?

best,
brian kc
 
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