Have you seen an instructor?

PGHteacher said:
I did say “might” depends on where you are I concede that. I probably don’t need to tell you that for most players it is that “The scale was way tipped to the mental side.” In my course I deal with “the mental side” a lot and I mean A LOT. One of my sayings is “pool is about 80% mindset and about 20% science; and as you go up the pool ladder this discrepancy widens”. I understand what you are saying and if you play on a BCA masters team you’re probably the exception and not the rule; I will gladly concede that. But for most people “the way to go” would probably be to get some good instruction. And that’s all I am saying; and if you’re in the upper tier of player you already know that that is very true.
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I agree , in most case's but you have to be honest and understand where you weakness lies for me its concertration and staying focused and not let my temper take controll every time I miss a shot ,, I have beat lower pro's and players of simaliar caliber , but could loss to a E player on any given day .. be honest it was so bad I was ready to quit

I wrote a post in the 14-1 thread leverging the unconcience mind giving a over view ,, but IMHO the use of a sports shrink is under used , and I can think of many real good players and pro's who would seriously benifit form their use,, I guess its a pride thing many wont admitt they have a problam and when they have a meltdown acting like a idiot maybe break a stick or shaft and think nothing of it,, well I got tiered of that so I took that step
and no guestion it payed off ten fold


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strmanglr scott said:
I appreciate everyones input.

I've looked Scott Lee up and emailed him before to talk about instructor certification. He seems to know his stuff and you guys recommending him is good.

I don't have any issue that I know about. I have a fairly solid game. I was thinking about it cause I have never been.

That's a big part of why I asked the question to find out what kind of things instructors help people with. I mean I can guess, stroke errors and the like, but what have you guys been helped with specifically. Like moving your back hand to the correct position.
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What City do you live in?

Thanks
randyg
 
strmanglr scott said:
How many people here have gone to or are getting instruction from a certified instructor or pro?

How do you feel it has helped your game?

I've never been and am thinking about seeing one. I live in central Michigan anybody know someone in the area?
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I took a lesson from Scott Lee about six or so months ago and I will say that I was really impressed. Scott is very informative, patient, and I think most importantly easy to learn from. I took a three hour lesson and although it was running over the time Scott still took the time and finished out the rest of his material. Now I will say that learning new proper fundamentals is a very time consuming as well as a frustrating task. But if you do the drills that Scott provides and "Do Not Skip Steps", you will be fine. I think it took myself personally like a month to a month and a half to get the steps down with out thinking. I would recommend lessons to anyone. Garett
 
nobcitypool said:
I'm curious about what your background is for having developed the mental teaching aspect you apparently offer. Is your formal training in psychology, have you read and studied a lot of sports psychology publications or is this something you've put together based upon your own approach to the game and experience?
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I have no formal training of any kind (at least not in the area of pool or psychology).
Here is a recent (or part of) a post I made. There is almost nothing and I mean really really close to 0 of what I teach that is based upon “my own approach to the game” basically because I don’t have any that I have not learned through books, articles, videos, professional players & champions. All of what I offer is through many years of study, for many people that is good enough; for many it is not.

I always say “if you want to know how effective my teaching is; go ahead and play some of the people that have gone through my program”. I had a guy that had taken high end lessons (and I mean just costing what is IMHO a lot of $$$$) from a certified instructor for a while; about a year if memory serves. And this guy didn’t know the difference between follow and natural roll, couldn’t tell where the CB was going to hit the rail under any circumstances, knew what the tangent line was but couldn’t apply it etc.. etc.. (I hope I get my point across) In my mind he should ask for his $ back.

I didn’t start out to make money teaching people how to play pool I started teaching to make my team better and to further my own understanding and advancement in the game. It wasn’t until many years had passed before I stared charging people.

Me said:
I hold no certifications, no “papers” and NO “qualifications of any kind. I have taught many people how to play over many years. The people that I have taught and am teaching now will attest to how much I have improved their game. I started teaching the game to further understand the game and that continues to this day, I tell people straight up “I am a student of THE game and MY GAME and I am way too stupid to ever “get it all”. Essentially I am a big nobody and will AND HAVE freely admitted that, and I am NOT trying to keep it a secret. I hope that I am very clear on that.

I started by reading 2 pool books Byrns Standard book of Pool & Billiards and The 99 Critical Shots in Pool. In about 1988 or 1989. I quickly realized that the people on my team did not really understand some of the simple science & physics of the game so I began showing them.

3 years after that there were people that asked me to “teach” them outside of the team because they had seen me. The years went by and I refined what I was doing into a 10 “step” course. Roughly 8-10 years after that I had shaved it down to a 6 part program that involved video, charts, papers, diagrams, blanket sayings etc.. etc.. during that time I continued study I read Kholers book and Fels book and continued to write and teach others while learning the game myself. Then I decided to start charging people for what I was doing. That brings us to now. No hiding, no shirking, no nothing but there you go
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You can go to someone with “papers” but that is no guarantee that you will learn more or that you will learn that faster than going through my course.
 
Taken several lessons from various instructors. A time in my life I had a mentor but after that ended I looked for others and every one of the instructors had something that made the time and money well worth it. Scott is one of them and I guarantee you will come away wondering why you didn't do this years ago. No matter how well you play.

Scott can correct me but other than annual check ups, fundamentals is not a serious problem. Game situations is what I want to concentrate on now.
My next lesson will be with Geo. Ashby even though not certified. I think the first lesson will be avoiding kisses.
 
I take lessons from Todd Fleitman here in Jersey and it has played a major part in my development. I had teachers who wanted to teach me how to shoot balls in the pocket....Todd is teaching me how to play...


Huge difference and when you find the instructor who understands that...stick with him/her
 
PGHteacher said:
I have no formal training of any kind (at least not in the area of pool or psychology).
Here is a recent (or part of) a post I made. There is almost nothing and I mean really really close to 0 of what I teach that is based upon “my own approach to the game” basically because I don’t have any that I have not learned through books, articles, videos, professional players & champions. All of what I offer is through many years of study, for many people that is good enough; for many it is not.

I always say “if you want to know how effective my teaching is; go ahead and play some of the people that have gone through my program”. I had a guy that had taken high end lessons (and I mean just costing what is IMHO a lot of $$$$) from a certified instructor for a while; about a year if memory serves. And this guy didn’t know the difference between follow and natural roll, couldn’t tell where the CB was going to hit the rail under any circumstances, knew what the tangent line was but couldn’t apply it etc.. etc.. (I hope I get my point across) In my mind he should ask for his $ back.

I didn’t start out to make money teaching people how to play pool I started teaching to make my team better and to further my own understanding and advancement in the game. It wasn’t until many years had passed before I stared charging people.



You can go to someone with “papers” but that is no guarantee that you will learn more or that you will learn that faster than going through my course.
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I totally agree.
 
I can only reiterate what others have said. Scott Lee is a great instructor. He will help improve your game.
 
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