Help identify McDermott cues?

[vintagecollectibles831]

Okay, I just know this post is going to get laughed at, but I am curious if anyone here might be able to identify either of these cues?

I know that one is a Graphic model McDermott, but curious if anyone here knows the model? I could not locate it in the McDermott archive. I understand it does not matter, but I was just curious.

The other one I think might be one of those cheap import McDermott cues, like a Star or Lucky for example, but I do not know yet. The only thing I have to go on is the bumper, which also looks like a McDermott bumper, but the pin appears to be Radial, I think. Does it look like a Decal cue? The Maple looks really cheap to me, but not sure if they are inlays or Overlays in the cue.

I purchased this set online, and I do not have the cues yet, so these pics are all I have to go on. I am thinking it was probably a really dumb purchase. I just wanted something half way decent to shoot with, for cheap. My 1st decent cue that I ever had was a Graphic model Mcdermott Wolf cue.

Anyways, thanks for any thoughts.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

That McD is either a private label cue or a custom. That design would have never been in their regular line-up.

Thanks a lot for the info.

 

[JasonATX]

I still think the other one is a McDermott with a radial that was done after the fact. Post pictures here or on your other post when you get them.

 

[sbrownn]

I don't think the wrapless one is a McDermott. They started using black joint material in their B series and stopped making sharp points / inlays with their D series plus used the last of the factory D butts in a closeout P series (I had a P704 with the dark stain). The fact that it has a radial pin also goes against McDermott during those series lines. Additionally, I don't see any inlays in the style of the longer black inlays with the curves at the "back" plus the white (ivory?) inlays in any of those series and I doubt they would retool for a custom, but who knows? Only thing that I see in their archive that may resemble McDermott's work is the main butt wood looks like what was used in a B-1. What does the weight bolt look like?

 

[sbrownn]

After some more searches, I think the wrapless cue could be an early / unbranded Dale Perry DP cue:

1. He seems to have used butt wood like this.
2. He has used both inlay styles in his cues.
3. He usually uses radial pins.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

I don't think the wrapless one is a McDermott. They started using black joint material in their B series and stopped making sharp points / inlays with their D series plus used the last of the factory D butts in a closeout P series (I had a P704 with the dark stain). The fact that it has a radial pin also goes against McDermott during those series lines. Additionally, I don't see any inlays in the style of the longer black inlays with the curves at the "back" plus the white (ivory?) inlays in any of those series and I doubt they would retool for a custom, but who knows? Only thing that I see in their archive that may resemble McDermott's work is the main butt wood looks like what was used in a B-1. What does the weight bolt look like?

I understand. Very interesting info. I only thought possibly a McDermott, because the rubber bumper looks like a McDermott style bumper. I was thinking of their Super cheap import lines though, but they would be decals / overlays if that were the case. I can't tell if they are inlays, or overlays. I will be getting the cue later today.

Would be cool if it were a DP cue, lol, but I highly doubt that.

Thanks a lot for your reply..

 

[JasonATX]

That radial pin cue is no McDermott. Maybe a star/lucky buts no real McDermott. Not even close.

That pin is odd, for sure. It could possibly be just a weird 3/8x10 on one of the imports. That said, you can custom order any of the production McDermotts with a radial or uniloc pin: https://www.mcdermottcue.com/mcdermott_custom_build_cue.php

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

Its not a McDermott cue. Its obviously an import of some kind. MAYBE a Star or Lucky but no US McDermott is made this cheap. Those 'inlay's look more like decals to me. BTW, that pin is not 'some weird 3/8x10', its a radial. Also i've never seen a US McDermott with anything but a 3/8x10 or in a few cases their qr joint. Never seen a US made McD with a radial. As for the Dale Perry guess? No. Not a DP cue. Folks its an import.

I also never seen a Star or Lucky cue that did not have a 3/8x10 joint pin on it. But, the Bumper looks like the same bumper they use on their cues. The shape of the bumper has such a unique style to it, that I believe is only seen on Mcdermott, or their imports.

Thanks for your replies.

 

[hang-the-9]

After some more searches, I think the wrapless cue could be an early / unbranded Dale Perry DP cue:

1. He seems to have used butt wood like this.
2. He has used both inlay styles in his cues.
3. He usually uses radial pins.

I like this thinking, it does remind me of the DP designs. If it has a McD buttcap could be someone just stuck one on there after losing the original.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

After some more searches, I think the wrapless cue could be an early / unbranded Dale Perry DP cue:

1. He seems to have used butt wood like this.
2. He has used both inlay styles in his cues.
3. He usually uses radial pins.

Going way off topic, but about Dale Perry. Originally, back in the 90's / early 2000's, DP used a Uni Loc joint. Then he switched to a Silver Radial Pin. I believe those were decent cues, but then he switched to a Brass plated Radial Pin, and I believe the quality went way down hill, with the Brass Radial Pin cues.

I have had a few of his 90's era DP cues, and I really enjoyed how they played, and I felt that they were far higher quality then any of the Radial Pin cues that he ever made. That is just my opinion though.

Would be really cool if this were a DP, but I do not think it is. I guess it might be possible though. I do not know. The bumper just looks very Mcdermott like to me though, and I think it is probably just a really cheap import.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

The radial pin DP's played awesome. I've owned or hit quite a few and all of them hit super good. For a sub-200 cue the shafts were impressive. His changing pin type/color did nothing to the quality/hit. I had one of the Ebay sub-200 models and it played/felt as good as a cue could possibly play. Dale knew how to build cues. I feel kinda sorry for those that paid big $ before he went the quick buck CNC Ebay route.

Back in around 2005, I won one of his ebay auctions, for around $350, for a really nice looking cue that he made, and it had the silver Radial pin on it.

The cue had the worst feeling taper I had ever felt in my life. The taper got fat very fast. It was really bad. I felt that the cue was total garbage.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

I still think the other one is a McDermott with a radial that was done after the fact. Post pictures here or on your other post when you get them.

I posted the cue on ebay last night, for a 24 hour auction, and someone wrote me about an hour ago, and told me that he had the same cue, and that it was a McDermott Cue of the Month, and that the inlays are real, he believes. The cue has no markings on it, to identify it..

 

[sbrownn]

Interesting and yes, seems to be correct (see Feb - M52A). Even more interesting is the weird clover, non-marked bumper and the fact that 2005 was the oldest year post on their website for cue of the month series (https://www.mcdermottcue.com/mcdermott_cue_of_the_month.php).

 

[garczar]

If its a real McD cue it would have their name on it. Look at the REAL one in that pic, see the shiny trim ring between the buttcap and sleeve?? Look at the op's cue: NO ring, no name, no clover bumper and a radial pin. Its not a real US made McD. If you wanna blow $$ on this thing knock yourself out

 

[sbrownn]

If its a real McD cue it would have their name on it. Look at the REAL one in that pic, see the shiny trim ring between the buttcap and sleeve?? Look at the op's cue: NO ring, no name, no clover bumper and a radial pin. Its not a real US made McD. If you wanna blow $$ on this thing knock yourself out

Good catch on the ring.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

never seen one that didn't play great. have owned two and hit about a dozen. all played superb.

The few Uni Loc DP cues I had, hit amazing. The quality seemed far superior to me. The newer shaft that he came out with, that I think he may have advertised as Old Growth, hit not bad at all, I thought. But, his older cues, I really loved how they played.

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

Interesting and yes, seems to be correct (see Feb - M52A). Even more interesting is the weird clover, non-marked bumper and the fact that 2005 was the oldest year post on their website for cue of the month series (https://www.mcdermottcue.com/mcdermott_cue_of_the_month.php).

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Yeah, and the Graphic designed cue in the pic is the M53B, from the same Cues of the Month year.

 

[sbrownn]

Yeah, and the Graphic designed cue in the pic is the M53B, from the same Cues of the Month year.

Bummer the M52A seems not to be a USA factory made McDermott...

 

[Texas Carom Club]

What do we get for doing the labor for you?

 

[vintagecollectibles831]

What do we get for doing the labor for you?

You get to feel good for helping another person out, lol.

Anyways, I emailed Mcdermott, and got a really fast reply, with very helpful info about both cues. I just had not checked my email to notice it for several days.