Help identifying vintage 57” piloted brass-joint cue

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I’m hoping to identify the maker of this older cue. It came from an estate purchase in south Florida, but I have no history beyond that.

Specifications:
  • Overall length: 57”
  • Weight: 19.1 oz
  • Piloted brass joint
  • Black nylon wrap
  • Rosewood forearm and butt sleeve (appears to be rosewood, but I’m not certain)
  • Three mother-of-pearl dots in the forearm
  • Six mother-of-pearl dots in the butt sleeve
  • Brass insert in the shaft
The cue appears to be well made with quality machining and fit throughout. There are no signatures, decals, stamps, or other maker’s marks that I’ve been able to find.

I’d appreciate any thoughts on the maker, approximate era, or any construction details that might point toward a particular builder or shop. If there are additional measurements or photographs that would be helpful, I’m happy to provide them.

Thank you in advance for taking a look.
 

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cant tell who made it but sure it did not come from a high end maker or shop. 57 inches usually means older than the 8o's. except for house cues and cues that came with pool tables.
 
100% Rich cue / have seen it in their old catalogs - Abe Rich was based in Miami from the late 70s and also Rich cues in NY - his cousin - many ended up in FL, as well
 
I believe this is a Rich Q.

Finding the cue in Florida does suggest Abe.

But the inlaid plastic dots and joint rings look like Rich Q, Inlaid plastic dots were common on Rich Q cues.

I would like to see another "documented" positively identified Abe cue, made in Florida, with inlaid dots. As far as I know, Abe did not have a drill press in his shop.

As an aside, he did some cues with points, but those were conversions, he never made points.

Others know more than me on this, and had been to his shop.
 
I spent time in Abe’s shop very late in his cue building life- early 90s to mid 90s . He had all kinds of stuff in there - I don’t recall a drill press or not but he was handling lots of pre made cue butts and even selling Stratford cues and Kotlin cue cases- the mid west gun case mfg.
 
mikemosconi said:
I spent time in Abe’s shop very late in his cue building life- early 90s to mid 90s . He had all kinds of stuff in there - I don’t recall a drill press or not but he was handling lots of pre made cue butts and even selling Stratford cues and Kotlin cue cases- the mid west gun case mfg.
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Yes.

So how do we tell whether it is Abe Rich or Rich Q?

Same butt cap, bumper, rings, and joint parts either way. We see lots of Rich Qs with plastic dots, as yet I have not seen an Abe cue with plastic dots.
 
H Betti cue - he bought out Saul Rich Q and it eventually became Imperial cues as we know them today / I gave this cue to Mr. Betti’s grandson who runs Imperial now and he was very, very appreciative - it was a mint Brazilian Rosewood example of the short lived H Betti cue name until it became Imperial Cue - the family did not have any Betti cues in house.
 

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iusedtoberich said:
I'll defer to the other members, but to me it looks like a POS Asian Import from 1975 worth $5 today.
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your wrong its an american made cue worth $5

to me anyway. as i am not a fan of any of the rich cue family of cues. and as ive said before i have known, and have seen, many good and great players and absolutely none of them used a rich cue.
 
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