Sorry for keep posting this is the last time. I appreicate all the help on here from ya'll. I was hoping that it was a Joss East. Because when I trade for the cue 25yrs ago. I gave about $700-$800 for it because I thought it was a early Joss to. But over the years before this formum came up, I had people tell that it wasn't a joss because it was not marked. So I have been questioning the cue since then, But al that's change now with the help from ya'll. Many thanks to all the helpful people out here. And yes it's going to be sent to Dan an have him clean it up, Does any one have an old bumper for the cue.