Help please

bbb said:
on page 88 is a formula that i cant translate
its a spanish diagram but for a knowledgeable 3c player im sure you understand whats trying to be said
heres the link
go to page 88
http://www.billarjuvenil.com.ar/bil...se_bonacho_palomares/j_b_palomares_sistem.pdf
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Is this the diagram??

Page 88.jpg


This from Carl Conlon File.. Notice the date 1969 and the Japanese player name.
This why you are getting some of the answer on your help that you are.

Conlon file.jpg
 
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billiardshot said:
Is this the diagram??

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This from Carl Conlon File.. Notice the date 1969 and the Japanese player name.
This why you are getting some of the answer on your help that you are.

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yes biliard shot the first diagram is it
i understand the reverse english double the rail formulas...:smile:
but that formula escapes me

i want to thank you for your willingness to provide informational material
:thumbup:
gracias por todo
estoy agradecido a su interes en mi educacion....:smile:
larry (bbb)
 
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also some pages have LKL or KLK in the heading at the top of the page
do you know what that means
overall the diagrams have been VERY helpfull
 
If this is a double post, forgive me. I am having trouble posting and think I lost my response during my attempt to post.

If in Dutch, then

KLK Kort lang kort (short long short)
LKL Lang kort lang (long short long)

For the Spanish diagram:

SAL is likely short for Salida (exit or, in context, start)
LLEG is likely short for llegada (arrival)

The formula is confusing, but here goes. EF may refer to effect (effect).
In EF3 = EF 2 + EF 1, the starting point (salida or exit) is 2 on short rail. The arrival (llegada) is 1 on the short rail. If one hits cue to B on long rail with the diagrammed English, the cue doubles the rail and arrives at 1 on short rail. Probably called “EF 3” because B on long rail is the third small dot from corner. That’s a guess, however. If you have other diagrams, you may be able to confirm whether my interpretation makes sense.
 
18.2balkline said:
If this is a double post, forgive me. I am having trouble posting and think I lost my response during my attempt to post.

If in Dutch, then

KLK Kort lang kort (short long short)
LKL Lang kort lang (long short long)

For the Spanish diagram:

SAL is likely short for Salida (exit or, in context, start)
LLEG is likely short for llegada (arrival)

The formula is confusing, but here goes. EF may refer to effect (effect).
In EF3 = EF 2 + EF 1, the starting point (salida or exit) is 2 on short rail. The arrival (llegada) is 1 on the short rail. If one hits cue to B on long rail with the diagrammed English, the cue doubles the rail and arrives at 1 on short rail. Probably called “EF 3” because B on long rail is the third small dot from corner. That’s a guess, however. If you have other diagrams, you may be able to confirm whether my interpretation makes sense.
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thanks for your reply
here is my confusion
the 32 base for doubling the rail as i understand it (this pdf used 30 as a base)
you add the starting point plus the return point subtract that from 32 (30 in the pdf) and thats the hit point using #3 english (between 2 and 3 oclock)
the formula i showed in spanish ef means efecto which means english on the cue ball (thats my guess .i understand and speak enough spanish to be able to read the links provided)
now they showed formulas where using 20 as a base number using 2 oclock english you used the same formula
they gave no examples of adding english
thats where im confused
 
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18.2balkline said:
... The formula is confusing, but here goes. EF may refer to effect (effect).
In EF3 = EF 2 + EF 1, the starting point (salida or exit) is 2 on short rail. The arrival (llegada) is 1 on the short rail. If one hits cue to B on long rail with the diagrammed English, the cue doubles the rail and arrives at 1 on short rail. Probably called “EF 3” because B on long rail is the third small dot from corner. That’s a guess, however. If you have other diagrams, you may be able to confirm whether my interpretation makes sense.
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I think that's correct. The PDF listed above is interesting but has no text. (The Spanish word is "efectos" for side spin, or EF.)

The problem is how to get "number-3-english" on the cue ball as opposed to 2.5 or 3.5. The illustration shows the suggested contact for 3-english, but each player will have to decide where that is for himself.

The author shows how to get englishes 1-4. On most tables you can get "english 5" -- when shooting nearly parallel to the long cushion on a reverse shot you can snap out of the corner and go to the other corner on the short rail you start from.

The author also shows how to play the first rail away from the corner some to allow, for example, the use of "english 3" when english 2.5 would be sufficient if you shot right in the corner.

Byrne shows a similar additive system for maximum english shots.
 
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