help with weight bolt

JTs cuerepair

JTs cuerepair

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Anyone know what size weight bolts predator put in there retired 98-5 cues, Was it
3/8x16 ? anyone have any laying around or know where to get them, Have a 98-5 predator cue that weights 18.9 OZ looking to make it about a 19.5 , Has a 2 &1/2 inch bolt in it now
 
JT's cuerepair said:
Anyone know what size weight bolts predator put in there retired 98-5 cues, Was it
3/8x16 ? anyone have any laying around or know where to get them, Have a 98-5 predator cue that weights 18.9 OZ looking to make it about a 19.5 , Has a 2 &1/2 inch bolt in it now
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Lol. To funny. Yes Jack. It should be a 3/8x16. You have an existing bolt correct?
 
JT's cuerepair said:
Anyone know what size weight bolts predator put in there retired 98-5 cues, Was it
3/8x16 ? anyone have any laying around or know where to get them, Have a 98-5 predator cue that weights 18.9 OZ looking to make it about a 19.5 , Has a 2 &1/2 inch bolt in it now
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Have you gotten one of the weight bolts out ?
http://www.predatorcues.com/performance-accessories/uni-loc-weight-cartridge-kit/

Check out the special tool.


What a joke, a special tool just to change a stupid weight bolt.
 
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I made the tool needed for play cues with Predators own weight bolts, pics can be found in: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5360512&postcount=9

The thread on playing cues is M16x1.5 and in my Air2 jump cue it is M14, standard metric threads.

You dont necessarily need the spesific Predator bolts, I have one like this in my Air:
http://www.matsakerholm.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/untitled.png
They are called Set screws and can be bought for pennies. They can be cut to different lenghts to get a desired total weight or you can use several of them at once if needed.

Hopefully this helps :wink:
 
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Kimmo H. said:
I made the tool needed for play cues with Predators own weight bolts, pics can be found in: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5360512&postcount=9


The thread on playing cues is M16 and in my Air2 jump cue it is M14, standard metric threads.

You dont necessarily need the spesific Predator bolts, I have one like this in my Air:
http://www.matsakerholm.fi/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/untitled.png
They are called Set screws and can be bought for pennies. They can be cut to different lenghts to get a desired total weight or you can use several of them at once if needed.

Hopefully this helps :wink:
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What if you want to remove a weight and you don't have the tool ?????
One reason to make a bolt that takes a one and only special tool to remove in a weight bolt on a pool cue .
Predator wants to hose its customers ...
 
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You quote the guy that gives vivid illustrations of how he made the tool but you prefer to rant.
Sorry Mike but if you want to work on cues you'll have to consider more than just Vise-Grips.
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
What if you want to remove a weight and you don't have the tool ?????
One reason to make a bolt that takes a one and only special tool to remove in a weight bolt on a pool cue .
Predator wants to hose its customers ...
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I took out one bolt for dimensions by putting 2 hex keys in the holes, sticking out the end of the butt, then placed a screwdriver between the two and simply turned the bolt out. Then I took the necessary dimensions, made the tool and went to remove the rest of the bolts that remained in the butt and put some of the bolts to my BK.

From a machinists point of view I totally understand Predators way of making these bolts. That is the fastest and easiest way to make a bolt like that. The two drilled holes for key to be used on is a very common thing in hydraulic cylinders and it works perfectly well in this type of appliance too, especially as the bolts are designed in a way to be able to have several bolts one after the other as it leaves the face surface intact for the next bolt to be tightened on :smile:
 
Michael Webb said:
Lol. To funny. Yes Jack. It should be a 3/8x16. You have an existing bolt correct?
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Yes I do Mike, I'm a retard some times, LOL I knew it was a 3/8x16 all along, I was just hoping that you would chim in, LOL , Need to talk to you when you have time If you could PM me your number I'm not sure If I still have it, Had 10 different phones since we last talked. Maybe the wife and I will take a ride and visit.
 
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JT's cuerepair said:
Yes I do Mike, I'm a retard some times, LOL I knew it was a 3/8x16 all along, I was just hoping that you would chim in, LOL , Need to talk to you when you have time If you could PM me your number I'm not sure If I still have it, Had 10 different phones since we last talked. Maybe the wife and I will take a ride and visit.
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Hi Jack
Respectfully ...I don't pm here or jimbo's. Nor do I text, facebook or tweet. I help on the forum the best I can.
 
Wieght bolts

Kimmo H. said:
I took out one bolt for dimensions by putting 2 hex keys in the holes, sticking out the end of the butt, then placed a screwdriver between the two and simply turned the bolt out. Then I took the necessary dimensions, made the tool and went to remove the rest of the bolts that remained in the butt and put some of the bolts to my BK.

From a machinists point of view I totally understand Predators way of making these bolts. That is the fastest and easiest way to make a bolt like that. The two drilled holes for key to be used on is a very common thing in hydraulic cylinders and it works perfectly well in this type of appliance too, especially as the bolts are designed in a way to be able to have several bolts one after the other as it leaves the face surface intact for the next bolt to be tightened on :smile:
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What is wrong with a common set screw that a Allen wrench fits into from the local hardware store.?

What if that bolt would of been so tight you couldn't of gotten it out that way and you don't have lathe to make a tool ??

Its not rocket science to make a weight bolt that costs under five bucks.
I just got back from the hardware store buy weight bolts.

I bought enough weight bolts to make a dozen cues , 10 bucks total cost.
No special tool required any owner can adjust the weight and balance of the cue without buy or making a special tool ....
just a Allen wrench.

Not some one of a kind pin style socket

No threads or phone calls from owners asking me how to change the weight or balance of the .

No gouging every customer on every single product.
And not making a easy job hard or expensive when its not needed .
 
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mortuarymike-nv said:
What is wrong with a common set screw that a Allen wrench fits into from the local hardware store.?


What if that bolt would of been so tight you couldn't of gotten it out that way and you don't have lathe to make a tool ??

Its not rocket science to make a weight bolt that costs under five bucks.
I just got back from the hardware store buy weight bolts.

I bought enough weight bolts to make a dozen cues , 10 bucks total cost.
No special tool required any owner can adjust the weight and balance of the cue without buy or making a special tool ....
just a Allen wrench.

Not some one of a kind pin style socket

No threads or phone calls from owners asking me how to change the weight or balance of the .

No gouging every customer on every single product.
And not making a easy job hard or expensive when its not needed .
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Nothing wrong with a good old set screw :smile: I use one on my jump cue too.

I believe that one of the reasons that Predator uses their own bolts is the marketing ploy of being able to change the weight in 0.1oz increments. For that a regular set screw is too heavy and they would lose that marketing benefit :rolleyes: I see why they ended up using the 2 pins solution as I have done adjustment screws for shock absorbers etc. the same way for a long time. That way just works well and is really fast and easy to make.
And one of their bolts costs a few pennies to make, they just have a healthy margin in their price when they are sold :thumbup:

I dont like the fact either that the bolts are expensive and need a special tool but it is Predator we are talking about. They know their way around the market and people are willing to pay their prices for their products, thats the way business works these days wether we like it or not :frown:

I agree with your last statement, I think it would be better to use a hex bolt there so anyone could alter the weight of their cue :smile:
 
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Kimmo H. said:
Nothing wrong with a good old set screw :smile: I use one on my jump cue too.

I believe that one of the reasons that Predator uses their own bolts is the marketing ploy of being able to change the weight in 0.1oz increments. For that a regular set screw is too heavy and they would lose that marketing benefit :rolleyes: I see why they ended up using the 2 pins solution as I have done adjustment screws for shock absorbers etc. the same way for a long time. That way just works well and is really fast and easy to make.
And one of their bolts costs a few pennies to make, they just have a healthy margin in their price when they are sold :thumbup:

I dont like the fact either that the bolts are expensive and need a special tool but it is Predator we are talking about. They know their way around the market and people are willing to pay their prices for their products, thats the way business works these days wether we like it or not :frown:

I agree with your last statement, I think it would be better to use a hex bolt there so anyone could alter the weight of their cue :smile:
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I think some pool player porked the engineer wife who designed predators weight bolt system.
And that was his revenge ....

Professional looking and functional user friendly and not over priced.
Pretty sure we are both on the same page.
Cool you made the tool.

The weight bolt systems should be user friendly.......and it really doesn't require a one of a kind tool or charging the customer 70 extra dollars
 
Dick Neighbors years ago shared an even simpler way to make a weight bolt. Buy a length of 3/8-16 all-thread rod (or 1/2-13 if you need a really big weight bolt). Cut the all-thread to the length (weight) that you want. Mount 2 cutoff discs on a Dremel tool or similar. This makes the cut we are about to make twice as wide. Then simply cut a groove across the end of the all-tread until it's about 1/8" - 3/16" deep. Now you can screw and unscrew the weight bolt with a simple flat bladed screw driver.
Talk about user friendly!
Again, Thanks to Dick Neighbors for that one!
:thumbup:
Gary
 
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