hercek "royal flush"

[Jon]

Not using CNC to build that cue is unreal, that thing is a true work of art.

I agree

 

[merylane]

Generally I never respond to any these posts however I get offended when someone acts like they know how I built one of my cues. You seem to know how I did those inlays in that cue. If you understood how a cutter cuts the holes you'd realize that a manual pantograph and a CNC router uses the same cutters. You can get razor sharp inlays with either, if you work the ends of the holes and make your inlays sharp. If a cue calls for sharp inlays then the hole gets worked, if not, as in the case of the Royal flush cue, then the hole stays as cut. To get the fit needed in that cue I decided to fit the inlay with about a two thousands clearance and not make the spade as sharp as I could. BTW, the inlays in that cue were done on my Gorton Pantograph, even the engravings. (which were also hand drawn) Maybe you own Jeff an apology.



Joel Hercek

awe come on joel, im sure he knows better than you... just kidding.

i think most find it hard to believe, cause most are to lazy to do things the hard way, whether its veneer work or inlays...... i wonder how many are still doing thing the old school way?

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Generally I never respond to any these posts...

I would like to see you respond to more posts, but I imagine, doing inlays with that much intricacy, would consume way too much time, to allow it.

If you understood how a cutter cuts the holes you'd realize that a manual pantograph and a CNC router uses the same cutters.

Well said, there is an awful lot of misconceptions as to inlays and CNC. CNC, or panto makes no difference to me. All I know is great work is great either way. Joel, that cue is an excellent example of great work.

Tracy

 

[qmakr]

I would like to see you respond to more posts, but I imagine, doing inlays with that much intricacy, would consume way too much time, to allow it.


Well said, there is an awful lot of misconceptions as to inlays and CNC. CNC, or panto makes no difference to me. All I know is great work is great either way. Joel, that cue is an excellent example of great work.

Tracy

Thanks for the nice comments and I'm sorry if I came across a little harsh, not being in the best mood and keyboard makes for a dangerous combination.
I believe both the CNC and Pantograph are equally important in cuemaking these days. I have a high tech shop, however the major construction of my cues are and always will be built by hand. To me, this is the true art of cuemaking, all the rest is eye candy. That said, it's the eye candy that sets the cues apart for another and this is where a CNC and a pantograph can be most helpful. That's about all I would like to say on the subject, now I need to back to work building blanks if I want to play some golf on Friday...

Joel Hercek

 

[RSB-Refugee]

...now I need to back to work building blanks if I want to play some golf on Friday...

Good luck with that, if you need a hand, I'm only a couple of hours away. Just kidding, I know, your secrets are better guarded, than the Bush's Baked Bean recipe.

Tracy

 

[SCCues]

Thats a Bad ass cue except for the wrap that clashes and doesnt match..

The cue is beautiful, but why in the world would you put a brown with white speck wrap on an ebony cue! The wrap would have to go if it was my cue. My choice is a black lizard wrap to highlight the inlays & veneers.

SCCues

 

[Murray Tucker]

The cue is beautiful, but why in the world would you put a brown with white speck wrap on an ebony cue! The wrap would have to go if it was my cue. My choice is a black lizard wrap to highlight the inlays & veneers.

SCCues

It's rosewood. The way the wood looks in the pictures vs. real life is probably different.

 

[SCCues]

It's rosewood. The way the wood looks in the pictures vs. real life is probably different.

Thanks for pointing out that the forearm is rosewood and I should have looked at the pictures a little closer. Everyone has their own opinion and preferences, but I think a black lizard skin wrap would be perfect for that cue.

SCCues

 

[lord_shar]

Thanks for pointing out that the forearm is rosewood and I should have looked at the pictures a little closer. Everyone has their own opinion and preferences, but I think a black lizard skin wrap would be perfect for that cue.

SCCues

Do leather wraps have a visible seam when installed?

 

[JimBo]

added whole cue shot and tried to bring out the brazilian rosewood.
zack is partially correct - the forearm is rosewood (very dark brazilian rosewood)
the butt and points are ebony
thanks for the compliments!
the rosewood and the linen are both from burton spains stock
i've thought about changing out the wrap! picky! picky!

Who taught you to use colors in the post?? it's annoying.

Jim

 

[the_truth_]

Generally I never respond to any these posts however I get offended when someone acts like they know how I built one of my cues. You seem to know how I did those inlays in that cue. If you understood how a cutter cuts the holes you'd realize that a manual pantograph and a CNC router uses the same cutters. You can get razor sharp inlays with either, if you work the ends of the holes and make your inlays sharp. If a cue calls for sharp inlays then the hole gets worked, if not, as in the case of the Royal flush cue, then the hole stays as cut. To get the fit needed in that cue I decided to fit the inlay with about a two thousands clearance and not make the spade as sharp as I could. BTW, the inlays in that cue were done on my Gorton Pantograph, even the engravings. (which were also hand drawn) Maybe you own Jeff an apology.



Joel Hercek

Mr. Hercek,

You make some fine looking cues and your ability to build full spliced points is remarkable.. I apologize for "offending" you but this is my opinion...

You build a nice cue like that.. Beautiful inlayed buttsleeve..Sharp razor points and than you tip them with rounded ivory "pantograph" inlays..

To me it matters not how you put them in there.. Hand carved with a blade, cnc or pantographed, the point to me is that it called for sharp inlays.. You made it look unclean and like a "schon" with the rounded tips on the points..
And whats up with the wrap... Does not fit the cue..

The rest of the Azers here can kiss up to you but like JIMBO and iconcue I am hear to tell the TRUTH.. Although I may disagree with them at times.. They speak what others are afraid to say..

I dont owe Jeff an apology.. You do ,for that wrap and ruining your nice pointwork..JUST MY OPINION..

"THE TRUTH"

 

[icon]

"but like JIMBO and iconcue I am hear to tell the TRUTH.. Although I may disagree with them at times.. They speak what others are afraid to say.." "JUST MY OPINION"
"THE TRUTH"

just who's opinion?

please! do not lump me in with you! i don't even know your identity
it appears to me you hide behind "the truth"

jeff s. willings

 

[icon]

Who taught you to use colors in the post?? it's annoying.

Jim

i learned from the best!

jeff

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STOP JIMBO'S FROM HAPPENING! USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!!!!

 

[the_truth_]

just who's opinion?

please! do not lump me in with you! i don't even know your identity
it appears to me you hide behind "the truth"

jeff s. willings

I have read your posts.. You speak your mind..

 

[SCCues]

Do leather wraps have a visible seam when installed?

When the leather wrap job is done correctly, it's very hard to find the seem without looking very closely. There are a lot of cue makers who do excellent leather wraps on cues and the best at lizard wraps is Paul Mottey IMO.

SCCues

 

[lord_shar]

Mr. Hercek,
...<SNIP>...

I dont owe Jeff an apology.. You do ,for that wrap and ruining your nice pointwork..JUST MY OPINION..

"THE TRUTH"

I don't normally get involved in these exchanges, but here is an example of why some "opinions" can be deemed offensive. Many of us have strong oppinions about what is acceptable vs. what isn't, but how many of us are really qualified to criticize given our personal cue-making skills?

 

[the_truth_]

I don't normally get involved in these exchanges, but here is an example of why some "opinions" can be deemed offensive. Many of us have strong oppinions about what is acceptable vs. what isn't, but how many of us are really qualified to criticize given our personal cue-making skills?

Mr Hercek and I have discussed differences and he appreciates my opinion as do I appreciate his.. You are way off here..

 

[ScottR]

Mr Hercek and I have discussed differences and he appreciates my opinion as do I appreciate his.. You are way off here..

Really?

And your qualifications to build a pool cue are??
Your waiting list is sought out by who and the backlog is?
People who would vouch for your "expertise" are?

The "truth" shall set you free . . . . . . is this Dennis D????

 

[lord_shar]

Mr Hercek and I have discussed differences and he appreciates my opinion as do I appreciate his.. You are way off here..

If you've discussed your opinions with Mr. Hercek in PM, then why feel the need to edit or erase your post which I quoted? Telling a professional cue-maker that he owes his customer an apology for delivering a bad product isn't my idea of "respectful disagreement."

 

[the_truth_]

If you've discussed your opinions with Mr. Hercek in PM, then why feel the need to edit or erase your post which I quoted? Telling a professional cue-maker that he owes his customer an apology for delivering a bad product isn't my idea of "respect."

I dont owe his customer an apology.. Like he asked.. Mr. Hercek yeah, but not his customer....

Cue makers need to respect the buying public as it is us who keep them in business.

You can ask him..You think you know what he feels.. I doubt it.. WE had private email and I respect him and I believe he respected my opinion, and did not feel disrespected.. It takes a REAL MAN to take both positive and negative feedback and not get bent out of shape like a ASS..Mr. Hercek did that..

You guys on this forum always say such positive things about every cue a well established cuemaker makes...WHY.. To kiss their ass.. Well I like Mr. Hercek and his cues but I am not kissing his ass.. I believe he would agree that my feedback ,although negative about the cue was well recieved by him..

You can make your opinion about me, but I say what I think..