Higgins cleared
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Wity
Banned
What a load of bollocks. Two blokes both caight red handed. One has the decency to instantly quit the other refuses to admit his guilt and dreams up a cock and bull story about the mafia. And this is the verdict !
Snookers always been riddled with betting scams most have been brushed under the carpet as it's virtually impossible to prove but after today the whole pro game has zero integretory.
Snookers always been riddled with betting scams most have been brushed under the carpet as it's virtually impossible to prove but after today the whole pro game has zero integretory.
You have to wonder why there was some guilt in part. I would have figured either or but the 75k fine and the disrepute is odd considering this is an independent body.
Snooker has been like this for a lot of years and unfortunately they never seem to get to the bottom of it or be able to stop it. I don't know how much of the tape was doctored or changed (whatever) if at all, it's just another big cock up all round. I remember a few other betting scandals in the snooker world, Peter Francisco, Quintin Haan, Stephen Maguire, Stephen Lee are a few that have been involved or even found guilty.
I guess ultimately none of us knows for sure excatly what went on here, the problem in my mind being due in no small part to the tabloids that release these. I mean if it had been the Times, Telegraph, Independent or Guardian it may be a little more convincing, but The News Of The World, really, please.
I just hope that Barry Hearn gets as tough on these 'people' (I use that term loosely) that are found Guilty as he says he's going to be. Only that way can snooker regain any semblence of respect and have any sort of future.
I guess ultimately none of us knows for sure excatly what went on here, the problem in my mind being due in no small part to the tabloids that release these. I mean if it had been the Times, Telegraph, Independent or Guardian it may be a little more convincing, but The News Of The World, really, please.
I just hope that Barry Hearn gets as tough on these 'people' (I use that term loosely) that are found Guilty as he says he's going to be. Only that way can snooker regain any semblence of respect and have any sort of future.
The video was edited and the captions did not match up with what was being said, and there were words attributed to higgins and/or mooney when they were not speaking at all.
Furthermore I doubt we are privy to all the evidence in the case, so I think he got a fair shake here.
It's just as ridiculous to condemn Higgins based on allegations from News of the World as it is to call Brad Pitt a bad father based on reports from National Esquire.
P.S. The world is ending again, I just read it in a reputable newspaper near the cash register in the supermarket....
Furthermore I doubt we are privy to all the evidence in the case, so I think he got a fair shake here.
It's just as ridiculous to condemn Higgins based on allegations from News of the World as it is to call Brad Pitt a bad father based on reports from National Esquire.
P.S. The world is ending again, I just read it in a reputable newspaper near the cash register in the supermarket....
Wity
Banned
I cant see any such doctoring nor can my totally deaf son who is quite a good lip reader, besides If there were any truth in the above that video would not have been accepted as evidence surely? and as far as I'm aware
neither Higgins or Mooney or any of their legal reps have claimed such.
caught on tape, found not guilty, no remorse....
and life goes on....
fackin world we live in
and life goes on....
fackin world we live in
Wow. Someone should post this in the main forum, I rarely go in here and hadn't heard about this. Thanks for all of the links!
Wity
Banned
Higgins has claimed that two minutes before entering the room Mooney told him they may bring up the prospect of fixing. Prior to that he had no idea.
Higgins has also said he thought they were Russian Mafia and he wanted nothing more than to get out of there asap.
It's those two claims that have led him to get off so lightly. Are you as gullible as the QC to believe that crap. I 'am not.
How long does it take someone who wants nothing to do with taking a dive to say "Sod that then I'm outa here" ? It's an instant reaction from an innocent man to not even enter the room.
Higgins is as thick as two short planks, obviously happy to take a dive but unlike his fellow pros he's never opened a Swiss bank account and dealt with "the Mafia" via untraceable mobile phone texts
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Innocent of fixing? Yes.
Guilty of plotting to? most definitely.
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Re: sportingintellegence / Regarding the video:
Pretty obvious to me that the " simple as that" was a question asked by the other guy in the room which went unanswered. The question was asked so quickly after Higgins's "yeah" he didn't think to use his fake accent and the subtitler simply thought it was the one voice.
As I've said earlier my son is totally deaf as such subtitles are on my tv all the time and I have in 20+ years of watching such never seen anything longer than a couple of lines 100% word for word accurately subtitled. It's not surprising though as whoever does the typing listens first then types They don't have a script. They merely get the gist of a sentence right which is all that's needed.
Note sportingintelligence does not claim that part of the video was doctored.
Everything else in the waffle is simply that, waffle, meaningless repeating of the slight miswordings by the subtitler that have no relevance and points to stupid things such as where the video was cut when they went to get the booze and place it on the table.
Conclusion: Edited yes. Doctored no. Fabricated no
Bottom line..
Higgins has most likely never took a dive but given the opportunity to he would have and is guilty of trying to arrange a fix. Mooney, once the story unfolded realised he'd been taped on previous occasions and had no chance of pulling the wool over anyone's eyes with the same cock and bull story Higgins presented. (no doubt dreamt up by his solicitors or even Mooney as John is too thick to think of it) and so almost instantly Mooney quit.
Mooney's solicitors played their ace in the hearing when challenging the WPBSA's right of jurisdiction with regard to the first two charges. Had the WPBSA's jurisdiction not included breaches of the betting rules referred to the 3rd charge they may have well dropped that one too.
Had that happened then Higgins's solicitors could have argued that as Mooney was a director of the WPBSA then the incident effectively had been reported but that would have been hoping for a miracle instead Higgins has escaped with a slap on the wrist and earned himself the new nick of Houdini Higgins.
I might go to Telford to see the U.K. Championship come November... Watch the TV you might see and hear me shout "KERCHING" every time he misses a shot.
Higgins has also said he thought they were Russian Mafia and he wanted nothing more than to get out of there asap.
It's those two claims that have led him to get off so lightly. Are you as gullible as the QC to believe that crap. I 'am not.
How long does it take someone who wants nothing to do with taking a dive to say "Sod that then I'm outa here" ? It's an instant reaction from an innocent man to not even enter the room.
Higgins is as thick as two short planks, obviously happy to take a dive but unlike his fellow pros he's never opened a Swiss bank account and dealt with "the Mafia" via untraceable mobile phone texts
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Innocent of fixing? Yes.
Guilty of plotting to? most definitely.
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Re: sportingintellegence / Regarding the video:
Look at the video and you'll see he does not shake his head no at all.
Pretty obvious to me that the " simple as that" was a question asked by the other guy in the room which went unanswered. The question was asked so quickly after Higgins's "yeah" he didn't think to use his fake accent and the subtitler simply thought it was the one voice.
As I've said earlier my son is totally deaf as such subtitles are on my tv all the time and I have in 20+ years of watching such never seen anything longer than a couple of lines 100% word for word accurately subtitled. It's not surprising though as whoever does the typing listens first then types They don't have a script. They merely get the gist of a sentence right which is all that's needed.
Note sportingintelligence does not claim that part of the video was doctored.
Everything else in the waffle is simply that, waffle, meaningless repeating of the slight miswordings by the subtitler that have no relevance and points to stupid things such as where the video was cut when they went to get the booze and place it on the table.
Conclusion: Edited yes. Doctored no. Fabricated no
Bottom line..
Higgins has most likely never took a dive but given the opportunity to he would have and is guilty of trying to arrange a fix. Mooney, once the story unfolded realised he'd been taped on previous occasions and had no chance of pulling the wool over anyone's eyes with the same cock and bull story Higgins presented. (no doubt dreamt up by his solicitors or even Mooney as John is too thick to think of it) and so almost instantly Mooney quit.
Mooney's solicitors played their ace in the hearing when challenging the WPBSA's right of jurisdiction with regard to the first two charges. Had the WPBSA's jurisdiction not included breaches of the betting rules referred to the 3rd charge they may have well dropped that one too.
Had that happened then Higgins's solicitors could have argued that as Mooney was a director of the WPBSA then the incident effectively had been reported but that would have been hoping for a miracle instead Higgins has escaped with a slap on the wrist and earned himself the new nick of Houdini Higgins.
I might go to Telford to see the U.K. Championship come November... Watch the TV you might see and hear me shout "KERCHING" every time he misses a shot.
News Of The World is a newspaper of unquestioned integrity :grin::grin::grin:
Same ownership as Fox News (that's an oxymoron)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...of-the-world-phone-hacking-investigation.html
London Police Are Sued Over News of the World Phone Hacking Investigation
By James Lumley - Sep 14, 2010 8:13 AM ET
Three men who suspect their mobile phones were hacked by reporters at Rupert Murdoch’s News of the World newspaper are suing U.K. police, alleging they didn’t properly investigate the case.
The suit filed in London by a member of Parliament, a former senior police officer and a journalist, also says the Metropolitan Police didn’t warn them that they might have been victims of the newspaper’s “unlawful invasions of privacy,” their law firm, Bindmans LLP, said in a statement.
The lawsuit adds to the review of phone hacking allegations at News of the World during the time when Andy Coulson, Prime Minister David Cameron’s communications chief, was editor of the paper. The House of Commons last week voted to hold an inquiry into the issue.
“Our clients have still not been told the whole story about how their names came to be in the papers seized during the phone hacking investigation in 2006 and why they were not warned that their privacy might have been compromised,” Tamsin Allen, a lawyer for the three men, said in the statement.
News of the World spokeswoman Hayley Barlow declined to comment. Coulson, who resigned from the newspaper after a reporter and a private investigator were jailed for phone- tapping in 2007, has said he didn’t know the practice was taking place at the time.
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police couldn’t be immediately reached to comment.
Chris Bryant, a member of the opposition Labour Party, former senior Met officer Brian Paddick and journalist Brendan Montague, filed the suit at the High Court in London yesterday. Allen said that two more people may join the lawsuit soon.
“The court will now determine whether or not the Metropolitan Police breached its public law and human rights obligations in the way it handled this investigation and its aftermath,” she said.
More info
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11195407
Same ownership as Fox News (that's an oxymoron)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...of-the-world-phone-hacking-investigation.html
London Police Are Sued Over News of the World Phone Hacking Investigation
By James Lumley - Sep 14, 2010 8:13 AM ET
Three men who suspect their mobile phones were hacked by reporters at Rupert Murdoch’s News of the World newspaper are suing U.K. police, alleging they didn’t properly investigate the case.
The suit filed in London by a member of Parliament, a former senior police officer and a journalist, also says the Metropolitan Police didn’t warn them that they might have been victims of the newspaper’s “unlawful invasions of privacy,” their law firm, Bindmans LLP, said in a statement.
The lawsuit adds to the review of phone hacking allegations at News of the World during the time when Andy Coulson, Prime Minister David Cameron’s communications chief, was editor of the paper. The House of Commons last week voted to hold an inquiry into the issue.
“Our clients have still not been told the whole story about how their names came to be in the papers seized during the phone hacking investigation in 2006 and why they were not warned that their privacy might have been compromised,” Tamsin Allen, a lawyer for the three men, said in the statement.
News of the World spokeswoman Hayley Barlow declined to comment. Coulson, who resigned from the newspaper after a reporter and a private investigator were jailed for phone- tapping in 2007, has said he didn’t know the practice was taking place at the time.
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police couldn’t be immediately reached to comment.
Chris Bryant, a member of the opposition Labour Party, former senior Met officer Brian Paddick and journalist Brendan Montague, filed the suit at the High Court in London yesterday. Allen said that two more people may join the lawsuit soon.
“The court will now determine whether or not the Metropolitan Police breached its public law and human rights obligations in the way it handled this investigation and its aftermath,” she said.
More info
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11195407
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