High-end Cue maker question

Philweezer

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Hi,

This is my first post on but I have been reading a lot of posts here on favorite cues. I found that there are the same usual suspects: tascarella, Scruggs, stroud, etc. Everyone mentions the who, but fails to mention why? What is it about their cues (minus designs just talking quality and performance) that makes them better than say a Meucci? I understand every cue has a feel to it and each person has different tastes. But is it worth being on a long waitlist for them (i know this question is up to the individual but I'm asking is the quality and performance worth it)? And why is handmade better than using a CNC machine?
 
my 2 or more cents
first lets say i am a beleiver in its the indian not the arrow
that being said
shane could beat almost anyone with a house cue
but to play at his very best the cue that "FEELS" right to him will help him play his best
so a cue that has the weight /balance/hit/ shaft deflection(really amount of squirt)that groove to you playing style
can only be done with a custom cue
otherwise its a square peg in a round hole
unless the the production cue has the characteristics that "jive" with you
 
Let's Compare Cues to Cars Or Furniture

If you went an d bought an Ethan Allan bedroom set, you'd expect tp ay more than if you went to aok wood furniture store. The quality of the wood, the care and attention that went into the construction and the final finished product all contribute to the product's superiority. Could you sleep on an bedroom set from the oak wood furniture store..absolutely....would you sleep on the Ethan Allen set as well......absolutely. then why he difference in price....total labor hours involved and overall manworkmanshi.

A Rolls Royce cots a lot more than a cadillac but it is a better car...without a doubt...all hand assembled with the finest quality products available and with an attention to detail and quality uncomaparbel with any other car maker. Does the Rolls Royce get you to your destination any sooner than a Cadillac would no...both are suitable transporation but no question which automobile is the better made car.

Cues....does a high end, collectible cue make one a better pool player....probably....because it's more mental...with a $2k, $3k or $5k cue in your hands, you'll definitely concentrate on the shot more than and maybe that's why you play better....you can never fault the equipment.....but would Efrem Reyes be at a disadvantage playing me with a beat up house cue, NO....he'd drill me regardless of the cue he's using.

But as was mentioned, a custoi cue can be made to your exact specifications.....length of taper, exact ferrule and shaft sizes, variety of joints, the actual construction (the avriety and different types of woods used & veneers) and the final finished product's balance and feel.....some cue-makers still make full splice cues and then lastly, the total hours required to finish the cue. Every cue is meticuosuly made to exact specs so that if you want the cue to weigh 18.65 ozs...that's what you'll get...not 18.8 ozs.....the balance point is carefull positioned based upon the cue's weight and the weight isn't determined solely by adding a heavier weight bolt or a lighter oneThe cues made by Bill Stroud, Tim Scruggs, Joel hercek, Verl Horn, Richard Black, James White, Paul Mottey, Pete tascarella, Ernie Guitterrez, Jerry Franklin, etc. are cues that will ultinateky become like treasured works of art the way original Balabushka, Gus Szamboti or Burton Spain cues are considered to be.

Every pool player should own at least one high end cue during their lifetime to enjoy the true difference and pleasure playing with one of these cues. The overall improved feel is just amazing and if you get to own more than one, then Nirvana is just around the corner.

Matt
 
Both above are good answers. Keep in mind also that not every custom is going to feel right to every player. I have hit with some beautiful high end cues I wouldnt want as my player. There are some production cues that play good,but with me, I'd rather have something more one-of-a-kind. Just a personal preference
 
I'm sure discussions similar to this take place on guitar and violin forums, car and motorcycle forums, TV and stereo forums...

As mentioned, if you purchase a cue from the short list of top cue makers you are paying for the quality of the materials (there are different grades of the woods), the attention to detail and the workmanship. You will pay more for the labor of a top maker as you should.

If you get the chance to play with a cue from one of these guys, while it may or may not be for you, you will almost for sure be able to feel the quality that went into its making.

Lastly is the perceived value. I can spend $1000 on a fancy McDermott. If I'm lucky I might find a buyer for $400 when I go to sell it. But invest in a cue from a top tier maker and you will likely always get what you paid for it, and probably more - assuming you take care of it.

And btw, "hand made" is not better than CNC, just different methods for getting the job done. Frankly, I don't know of any cue among the top makers that are built without the use of machines.
 
When I played trumpet for a living, I knew people who went to a manufacturer and tried out different trumpets, all of the same model, to find one that was just right for them. Even with their tolerances, there was a slight difference from one horn to the next.That difference is increased exponentially with cues. You still have to find the one that does just what you want.
 
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Every pool player should own at least one high end cue during their lifetime to enjoy the true difference and pleasure playing with one of these cues. The overall improved feel is just amazing and if you get to own more than one, then Nirvana is just around the corner.

Matt

your entire post i agree with:thumbup:
this part at the end tho i might change to say...
if you get to own more than one, then bankrupcy is just around the corner........LOL :D........:smile:


seriously well made cues do feel better
 
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your entire post i agree with:thumbup:
this part at the end tho i might change to say...
if you get to own more than one, then bankrupcy is just around the corner........LOL :D........:smile:


seriously well made cues do feel better

And for others a second one might mean a few nights sleeping on the couch or even divorce court.
 
[...] And why is handmade better than using a CNC machine?

For the same reasons going to the library and researching through encyclopedias, phone directories and thousands of individual books is better than Google, horse-drawn buggies are better than automobiles, treadle lathes are better than motorized, and smoke signals are better than cell phones.

TW
 
When I played trumpet for a living, I knew people who went to a manufacturer and tried out different trumpets, all of the same model, to find one that was just right for them. Even with their tolerances, there was a slight difference from one horn to the next.That difference is increased exponentially with cues. You still have to find the one that does just what you want.

Hey Paul,

Couldn't have said that better.

I did not know you were a pro musician.

I have a very funny story to share with you about a great trumpet player.

I grew up with the Johnny Howel's son Shane. Johnny was known as one of the best balladeers of all time on the trumpet. He was a very funny man a very hip dude to say the least.

I remember when he was in his late fifties due to some dental work, he was have trouble with his ambuture or for those who don't know, it's the way a brass player forms his lips to the mouthpiece.

Years later, when he was in the hospital dying of colon cancer when he was very weak and near the end he whispered to his son, "just when I got my ambuture back, I lost my A Hole". Even on his death bed he was still making jokes after he accepted his fate.

I thought I would share that info not only because it is funny, it represents John Howel's great sense of humor. Without a sense of humor, life is very bland without spice.

Rick
 
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